Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

24 May, '04

Our dear friend Jassim Al-Saidi proposed a bill (arabic) to set up a “promotion of virtue and prevention of vice” department within the Ministry of Islamic Affairs, but stressed that he wants it not to have any policing roles. Thank you very much Jassim, you are the pearl of these islands, the unsleeping watchful eye protecting our morality, looking after our youth and preventing them from straying from the “correct path.” What would we do without you?

I’m sure that this bill will sail through parliament, unlike your other bill (arabic) which was so unfairly thrown out where you insisted on the right of military and police personnel to grow their beards. You were rightly furious that such personal liberties were trounced by those ill-willing MPs. No matter, you ARE the shining star.

This is Jassoum’s radical solution to the mounting crime levels on the island, what with riots, thefts, rapes, and various other criminal activities. People from that department would have the insurmountable task of going into villages and cities spreading their good-will and showing people the lit path of religion. They will of course also stress the importance of prayer 5 times a day and it will be their duty to “encourage” people to go to mosques to pray at the prescribed times with the gentle percussioning of their heads with just very small and thin sticks. No believer will be harmed by the use of these gentle methods of persuasions of course. To further encourage people to pray, these mutawa religious police promoters of virtue will insist that businesses should close for the prayer’s duration.

Do you see the path that Jassoumi is lighting for this country?

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  1. anonymous says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    He needn’t bother with the legislation as we already have a de facto mutawa in the form of Al-Wefaq’s thugs who’s rampages have prevented vice at the Ajram concert, by Indian labourers drinking beer, and restaurant diners enjoying a meal. Ok, they’re not as thorough as perhaps Mr Saadi’s proposed squads, but they’re effective enough.

  2. anonymous says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    Have a look at this:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005B226/ref=pd_sim_video_2/002-5616901-8008035?v=glance&s=video

  3. mahmood says:

    Re: Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    heh, I love koko! Not very appropriate though as koko has contributed to the human understanding of gorillas. Not sure what deputy dog here contributed though…

  4. mahmood says:

    Re: Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    Sure they should, that’s their primary job in their chosen stream. However they should limit that to their places of worship and not in Parliament.

  5. anonymous says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    Aren’t the clerics supposed to be calling for more virtue and less vice? Ot are they too busy with other concerns?

    —- teqjack

  6. adore says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    why?! why the hell is everyone bending over for these bearded freaks?
    just imagine “al haras al watani” on the 8 o clock news…with BEARDS..something just doesnt seem right!

  7. mahmood says:

    Re: Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    It appears that the discussion regarding the beards and veils took 90 minutes of the parliament’s time and it was almost unanimously passed, however the discrimination law was opposed and dropped in 90 seconds!

    Now tell me that they have their priorities right?

  8. mahmood says:

    Re: Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    Let me tell you my prediction for the next bill that Al-Saidi (or Al-Moawdah or any other the other dickheads for the matter) will propose:

    Female circumcision!

    Don’t say I didn’t forecast this.

  9. Gail says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    Umm Mahmood,

    Wait a minute …. If the legistlature over there is hindering passing a law that prohibits discrimination BY the government, then a million curses on them.

    But IF, the legistlature over there is hindering passing a law that prohibits discrimination by ordinary PEOPLE, then more power to them!

    I want to point out the difference Mahmood – it is utterly wrong for a government to discriminate based on race, sex, etc. What matters are your qualifications. To that end, I am all for it, this is where civil rights movement came in.

    But under no circumstance, can a proper government, dictate to you, or me, who WE discriminate against. And yes that includes race! If I am some idiot who does not want sunnis in my house/office/company, then the government has no right to tell me they have a right to enter. If I do not want red-heads in my house/office/company, then the government has no right to tell me they can come on in…it is after all, MY property.

    When you say they are fighting a bill against discrimination – do you know who it applies to? Govn, or private citizens?

  10. mahmood says:

    Re: Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    it’s this one:

    hindering passing a law that prohibits discrimination BY the government

    see the irony? it takes them (the parliament) a full HOUR AND A HALF to debate beards adn veils, yet only 90 SECONDS to veto the descrimination bill!

  11. Gail says:

    Re(1): Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    Ahh,

    Well that definately SUCKS. How many Bahrainis (real ones?) in Parliament anyway, and how does one get a seat in parliament? Are the rules for getting a seat in parliament shady, or are they pretty much concrete?

  12. anonymous says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    from what we have seen, there is a positive correlation between low IQ’s, long beards, and a voice in parliament.

    (it might just be a statistical error though – we need more data). 😉

  13. [deleted]0.31014800 1099323478.248 says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    Some MPs pointed out that interior and defence ministries not only ban beards but they also ban a whole sect from employment in these ministries!! They demanded that the second form of discrimination be added to the proposal, but of course AlAsala headed by AlMoawdah totally rejected this…

    Mahmood predicts female circumcision to be the next proposal…but I disagree this is way down the list of priorities

    -ban all shaving products, including creams, razors, machines, and ban all barbars from carrying out male grooming services.

    -introducing a minimum length of beard at 6 inches, and for those with no facial hair, a special prescription of hair growth vitamins.

    -hell, even women should have beards!!

    -Arrange for a special parliamentary comittee to look into the social, economic, political benefits of beards. Maybe part of the budget can be set aside for beard promotion in primary and nursery schools.

  14. mahmood says:

    Re: Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    😆 😆 very funny! so you DO have a sense of humour! Good on ya 😉

    The Asala response to Abbas’ (and I believe Al-A’ali?) proposal to include the discrimination clause was predictable, while Abbas’ move to include that in the proposal was a good stroke which justly has shown how racist Asala and Minbar actually are.

    As for your thinking that female circumcision is way down on their priority list, you are way wrong. They have already started issuing chains with every kitchen sink to shackle those (dirty) women, next step is definitely circumcision!

    Better keep your legs crossed whenever you pass bearded folk!! (sorry couldn’t resist!)

  15. Gail says:

    How to fight

    ROFL!! Strong correlation between low IQs and voice in parliament! lol

    They will fight us with guns and pepper spray! We will fight them with Mach-3 Gillete razors and Foaming gel! lol

  16. fekete says:

    Beards

    I still cannot get over the fact that our beloved parliament were discussing Beards in the same breath as Immigration Policy!!!

    Personally, I am not against beards. But – why can’t our fundies be a bit trendy and have the close shaven beards – a la the Iranians? The straggly hairs just don’t cut it.

    As for female circumcision – I would like to see which of them would ever have the b*lls to go to our Ministeress of Health, look her in the eye, and ask her to make it mandatory for girls. I would hope that she would invoke castration in the interests of non discriminatory policies.

  17. mahmood says:

    Re(2): Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    In the Council of Deputies there are 39 out of 40 who are indigenous Bahrainis.

    The single naturalised citizen (Sami Al-Buhairi) was of Yemeni descent:

    Name: Sami Muhsin Mohammed Al-Buhairi
    email: mailto:salbuhairy@nuwab.gov.bh
    Electoral District: Southern Governate, 3rd District.
    Member of the General Services and the Environment Committee.

    Place and Date of Birth: Jan 8th, 1972 (heretofore declared as Bahraini national holiday)
    Educational qualifications:
    BSc science 1997
    Diploma in Computer Science 1999

    Positions held:
    Intermedia School Science teacher
    High school Biology teacher
    Specialist in Scientific education in the Ministery of Education

    Memberships:
    low level associations with educational pursuits.

    As to how you woud get a seat in parliament, it is the same process (almost) as in any other democratic country, you canvas for votes and if you get the highest number of votes you get in.

    The parliamentary election procedures were correct and vouched for by independent observers.

  18. adore says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    just finished reading al-ayam’s article on yesterday’s session. Al-muawdeh was quoted as saying, ” you want to see a woman dancing and singing half-naked but u dont want ppl to grow their beards”. pretty ironic seeing as he instigated the whole Nancy Protest. Asswipe.

  19. mahmood says:

    Re: Beards

    OUCH!

    I’ll tell you why they discuss beards and give that subject more importance than other issues. It is because they are primarily there to do God’s work. There is NO WAY that you can argue the point with them, it’s in the Quran and Sunna, end of story. They have NEVER distance what they preach in mosques and ma’atems from what should be discussed and worked in parliament. To them, it’s just another pulpit.

    THAT’s why we have to chase their asses OUT of parliament come the next election.

  20. mahmood says:

    Re: Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    and this from the GDN:

    Beard rights are backed!

    By ABDULRAHMAN FAKHRI

    BAHRAIN’S MPs have backed a call for all male government employees to be allowed to grow their beards and all female staff to be veiled.

    This should apply to employees at all government establishments, including police and the military, members voted at parliament yesterday.

    MP Shaikh Jassim Al Saeedi’s proposal will now be put to the Cabinet for approval.

    In his proposal, he said many citizens had expressed their determination to exercise their religious rights.

    The majority of MPs voted against the report of the legislative and legal affairs committee, which recommended rejecting the proposal.

    In its reply, the committee said that the objectives of the proposal could be reached through consultation with government and military officials.

    It said that the constitution guaranteed the exercising of religious rightsand that there were no cases of individuals being denied this.

    “There are no laws at ministries and government organisations that prohibit men from growing their beards, except at the Interior and Defence Ministries, which have been following for decades a system regulating their procedures,” said the committee.

    It said Defence Minister Shaikh Ahmed bin Khalifa Al Khalifa had issued directives to review the regulations.

    This followed a reply to parliament in December 2003, in which the minsitry explained that military personnel were not allowed to grow beards in view of practical considerations.

    Some MPs expressed their frustrations at the delay since the issue was first proposed and said the proposal must include the Interior and Defence Ministries.

    “We must now support this second proposal,” said Shaikh Adel Al Mouawda. “It is shameless that we have to wait for so long and this time we will fully support a proposed law that will punish those who stop people from exercising their religious rights.”

    He said that several days ago, it was brought to his attention that an applicant to the military was rejected because he was bearded.

    “For how long do we have to wait and watch such injustice,” said Shaikh Al Mouawda. MPs Abdulla Al A’ali and Mohammed Al Abbas supported the proposal but also stressed that there were other discrimination issues that needed to be addressed at the Interior and Defence Ministries.

    go figure!

  21. mahmood says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    While discrimination proposed law is thrown out:

    Discrimination law call vetoed

    By ABDULRAHMAN FAKHRI

    A CALL to make discrimination a crime punishable under Bahrain’s penal code was rejected by parliament yesterday.

    The proposal was put by five deputies – Abdulhadi Marhoon, Yousef Zainal, Abdulnabi Salman, Jassim Abdul’al and Hassan Bu Khamas.

    Bahrain is a member of an international convention aimed at outlawing all forms of discrimination.

    “However, there is no law that punishes people who discriminate. This would weaken any action taken against them,” he said in a report covering separate meetings with the foreign affairs, defence and national security committee and the legislative and legal affairs committee. Members of the two committees said that even though they supported the proposal in principle, it was difficult to clearly specify, define and prove a discriminatory act.

    They said that there were not any specific articles that punish discrimination due to the difficulty of backing the accusation.

    MPs said that Bahrain’s constitution and National Action Charter affirmed non-discrimination principles and equal opportunities for all individuals in various areas.

    They said that there was no point of drafting such laws since every individual who felt discriminated against could go to court and file a case.

    Priorities anyone? anyone?

  22. anonymous says:

    Who said Ali Salman isn’t a Shia version of Jassim Al-Saeedi?

    There’s been some debate on this weblog as to who should be crowned Bahrain’s most extreme extremist – with members of the Salafist Asalah facing competition from the Shia Al-Wefaq. I don’t know if anybody read this week that Ali Salman’s not happy about all the attention Jassim Al Saeedi received over his proposals dor Vice and Virtue squads on Manama’s street corners, so Ali Salman’s used his sermon at Friday prayers to claim credit for the proposal to set up Bahrain’s own mutaween.

    Who was it who claimed that Ali Salman’s nothing like Jassim Al Saeedi?

  23. anonymous says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    Didn’t you know? Ali Salman and Jassim Al Saeedi are actually twin brothers, separated at birth. Its quite a tragic story really. Would make a great Bollywood movie. I am waiting for the part where they discover they they are actually on the same side and kiss and make up. But, it seems like we are still a ways away from that yet ..

    tune in next week …

  24. anonymous says:

    Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice Ministry is coming up!

    I’d rather be lectured by Adel Mouwdah or Jassem Al Saeedi any day than Ali Salman – at least Mouwdah doesn’t claim to be from the “moderate wing” of his party, instead he just comes out and says what ever’s in his consciousness at any given moment.

    He might be a totally insane world hating psychopath, but at least he’s honest.

  25. mahmood says:

    It’s on!

    Parliament actually PASSED THE BILL! I now hope and pray that the cabinet has enough sense to throw it out or delay it ad infinitem… sad, very very sad.

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