History? What the hell for?!

18 Jul, '05

These are the kind of MPs we have:

Mr Al Mo’awda said he was not proud for the country to be associated with the burial mounds.

“We must have pride in our Islamic roots and not some ancient civilisation from another place and time, which has only given us a jar here and a bone there,” he said.
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Civilisation didn’t exist of course before Islam. So why the hell bother with over 6,000 years of history? He’ll have us just make do with the last 1,400 years or so.

Rock on dude!

But his comments, which were backed by Jassim Al Mawali and Jassim Al Saeedi, angered other MPs, who called for the protection of the sites.

Of course he would have these usual asswipes to support this view. Thankfully, there were some who had some sense to slap them down:

MP Fareed Ghazi said that only six per cent of the burial mounds in A’ali remained.

“How can we as men of intellect and culture say such things about the A’ali burial mounds,” he said.

Mr Ghazi said they belonged to future generations and that building new homes should not be at the expense of an historic site.

Abdulnabi Salman was on a roll again (he must feel exhausted after the last week, Dhahrani certainly was, the swooning swan had to be hospitalised due to “exhaustion” last night… ضارب كزمه Ùˆ شيول يا خوك – no, his exhaustion apparently was due to his all out efforts to get the “Right to Assemble, processions and demonstrations” bill passed – as instructed by his masters – which basically puts everyone who dares demonstrate in prison, after being severely beaten for his or her efforts of course)

“How can you reduce one of the world’s largest historical burial mounds to a small site?”

With only a day to go in this parliamentary term, it’s brain farts open season it seems!

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  1. mahmood says:

    Re: History? What the hell for?!

    On the contrary what some of our MPs want is a planned eradication of our historical sites!! To me, this is the Bahraini version of Taliban’s doctrine.

    Fuad hits the nail on its f*cking HEAD.

    Respect man!

  2. ammarlovegod[deleted]1099322617 says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    Thanks Mahmood for raising this issue here because I went ape shit when I heard about it last night…and funny enough wanted to call u immediately 😉

    Note when our honourable MP said ‘there was no need to preserve more mounds since all of them looked the same.
    “The mounds in the remainder of the area should be removed, since housing for the living is better than the graves for the dead,” he said.
    Mr Al Mo’awda said he was not proud for the country to be associated with the burial mounds.
    “We must have pride in our Islamic roots and not some ancient civilisation from another place and time, which has only given us a jar here and a bone there,” he said.’

    Infidels my foot! So he is the only Muslim on Earth and can guarantee that all his ancestors before him were Muslims and because the Dilmun civilisation and the rituals of its people weren’t Islamic, we should erase them from memory.

    Allowing those half-wits into parlaiment and giving them the opportunity to open their traps is a real shame.

    Mahmood. u are right. 2006 is near. this is the session before last.. and they really had to try hard to make a lasting impression.

    One more year to go!

  3. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    Salaam Mahmood

    I read this in Al Wasat and was shocked to know how some of our MPs think of our history. They simply cannot see the value of history in building a nation both socially and economically. They can’t see how lucky we are to be the inheritance of such a great civilization and have no idea how could this be used in unifying the Bahrainis.

    We have lost so much of our history and culture and most of what is written is full lies and errors. And now our dear MPs are here to help in eradicate what is left of it.

    Those MPs don’t represent themselves only; I am sure many of those who voted for them think exactly in the same way.

    Fuad

  4. 7alaylia says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    You cannot know who you are unless you know where you came from. I am glad other countries havent had this attitude, ie Egypt, Syria and other places with such riches.

    PS……waiting for your vlog on the mounds! A good long vlog on the treasures that are these mounds would be a good way to make your point.

  5. salima44 says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    Malik

    Next time your in the area take a look at just how close houses are now to the pyramids in Egypt. This problem happens everywhere.

  6. 7alaylia says:

    Re: History? What the hell for?!

    Sure. In many places money, space and other concerns take priority. But at least there is a realisation that these historical items are a treasure. It would seem these few people in Bahrain do not think the same way.

    It seems this is an issue with the far right religious folks in the Gulf. Mahmood posted about similar issues in Saudi.

  7. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    bonsaimark

    Most of what is happening in Egypt and the other places is unauthorised and illegal. True some countries are a bit relaxed about those rapidly growing squatters but after all they are unplanned and the overall tendency is to protect their national treasures. On the contrary what some of our MPs want is a planned eradication of our historical sites!! To me, this is the Bahraini version of Taliban’s doctrine. After all they are asking for what exactly Taliban did to the Hindu statues few years ago

    Don’t get me wrong; those MPs have the right to speak out their opinions. But such stand points show that there are many within our society who don’t appreciate what history means to a nation and how could that help in every aspect of our and the future generations’ lives.

    Fuad

  8. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    I know that the portugueses were in Bahrain for four decades in the 16th or in the 17th century. Can you tell me if the portuguese fortress still exits? It´s a Historical site open to the public or not? Your scholls teach something about the portuguese presence in your land, or not?
    In my country the muslim presence is studied since 1960-70, and in my region (Alentejo) still exists some historical castels made by the muslins between the 8 and 13 centuries. Some universities have islamic studies has a degree, because the islamic presence was very strong. We have also some arabic words in our language.
    Thank you.

    Alentejão (Portugal)

  9. mahmood says:

    Re: History? What the hell for?!

    Unfortunately Alentejão the schools’ text about the Portuguese is minimal, we know almost nothing about that period, and why the Portuguese came to Bahrain, what they did, when they left etc. It’s as if that period of time just does not exist. Even the Portuguese Fort (almost everyone in Bahrain calls it that to this day) has been changed to the “Bahrain Fort” which you might have read about in my comment above has just been listed by UNESCO as a World Heritage Site.

  10. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    “A jar and a bone”???

    I hope he never gets his hands on Petra!

    –button

  11. mahmood says:

    Re: History? What the hell for?!

    Thank God that he only opened his stupid trap AFTER UNESCO agreed to enlist the Bahrain Fort as a World Heritage Site! Just imagine the repercussions if the panel heard of this dimwit’s comments while they were deliberating, especially that there were opposition (from Lebanon and others) against the recognition!

    Bahrain – Qal’at al-Bahrain Archaeological Site
    Qal’at al–Bahrain is a typical tell – an artificial mound created by many successive layers of human occupation. The strata of the 300×600-metre tell testify to continuous human presence from about 2300 B.C. to the 16th century A.D. About 25% of the site have been excavated revealing structures of different types: residential, public, commercial, religious and military. They testify to the importance of the site, a trading port, over the centuries. On the top of the 12m high mound there is the impressive Portuguese fort, which gave the whole site its name, qal’a, meaning fort. The site was the capital of the Dilmun, one of most important ancient civilizations of the region. It contains the richest remains inventoried of this civilization, which was hitherto only known from written Sumerian references.
    Bahraini.TV

  12. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    When I saw this article in GDN, I knew it was only a matter of time before we’d see it commented on and exposed in all its glory as the ‘brain fart’ it really is… these guys are really living in the middle ages. What other civilized countries would give to have so many archeological gems in their backyard.

    [quote]Infidels my foot! So he is the only Muslim on Earth and can guarantee that all his ancestors before him were Muslims and because the Dilmun civilisation and the rituals of its people weren’t Islamic, we should erase them from memory. [/quote]

    … and I thought according to Islam theology, we’re all born as muslims anyway!

  13. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    One of the aspects about Islamic culture as opposed to say, Asiatic cultures in the far East is that Islamic Peoples have no awareness of western history and dont understand western culture. Whereas westerners, through the Middle Ages, strive to learn from the superior Muslim culture of the time when Muslims controlled much of the economy of the Mediterranean, etc, (remember Marco Polo and others). Muslims did not try to learn from the west in later centuries after the renaissance and during the age of exploration because they you were not supposed to learn from the infidel. After the last failed Ottoman attempt of taking Vienna in the 17th century it was obvious that the civilization of Islam has fallen way behind the west. Then the invasion of Napoleon in 1798 brought home a harsh lesson: even a small European force could invade one of the heartlands of the former powerful Islamic empire. This realization of the dire situation of their civilization and a refusal to learn from the infidels continues to this day and is a major source of resentment among Muslims. That is why Bahrain ignores that the Portuguese were ever there.

  14. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    But in Oman (islamic country) they don’t ignore the presence of the portuguese, they preserve and study the ruines of the portuguese fort, or the origins of some words, like, for instants, “bandeira” (flag), a portuguese word that since today is used by the people of Oman.
    In India, a country that had some cities ocupied by the portuguese between the 16th century until 1955 (?), where the portuguese language was used until the end of the ocupation, they don´t theach nothing about the portuguese presence in Goa, Damão and Diu (Bombay was given to the english by the portuguese in the 17 century), or the portuguese language. This method of “clening” some parts of history, have nothing to do with the islamic culture, this is a method used by ignorant governaments that have other motivantions in their agenda.

    Alentejão (Portugal)

  15. mahmood says:

    Re: History? What the hell for?!

    I agree.

    Even if a country’s history is blood-thirsty, disgusting and filled with transgression and aggression, or the complete opposite, history should be preserved and tought or at least factual books published so that people who are interested at least can read about it if they wish.

  16. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    Let me give just a historical example of what I am trying to say. The discovery of the New World by Europeans was basically ignored y the powerful Ottoman Empire. A Turkish version of Columbus own (now lost) map, prepared in 1513, survives in the Topkapi Palacae in Istanbul, where it remained unconsulted and unknown, until a German scholar discovered it in 1929. What this tell you of an Empire as powerful as the Ottoman? For the
    Ottomans Knowledge was something to be acquired, stored, if necessary bought, rather than grown or developed. I saw this mentality in Saudi Arabia to which I have been twice. You’ll see that most of the technical workers and engineers that work for the Aramco oil company owned by the House of Saud are not Saudi nor Arabs (with very few exceptions) but European, American, even Korean, Japanese, Indian and Chinese. Most Saudis of good families just want to work with the government in some bureaucratic job.

    Jose Abreu
    Seattle, Washington

  17. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    Every country have some parts of their history with “blood-thirsty, disgusting and (…) transgression and aggression” episodes! Give me a name of a country, with a history without wars, agressions or transgressions. History is history! History is our heritage as peoples! Probably I have roots from Celts, Romans, Arabs, Africans… This is our heritage, this is our history. We can´t choose our history, or forgot our history. History is history, and history shoud be studied.
    We can not erase Hitler, Staline, Mussoline, the south african aparthaid or slavery from our history! History is History. We can not erase the parts of our history that we don´t like! Maybe, the compreension of history, can teach us ways to avoid the mistakes that mankind made some centuries ago.

    Alentejão

  18. mahmood says:

    Re: History? What the hell for?!

    Again I completely agree with you Alentejão, however we must also recognise that most of history is written by the victor! So we have to exercise our minds in what to accept as factual and what is meer fantasy. Fortunately however, sooner or later truth does come out.

  19. anonymous says:

    History? What the hell for?!

    I agree that our history is the history of the victors, or the history of Kings and aristocrats. The history of the commun people is forgotten by the historians.

    Alentejão

  20. Anonymous says:

    :whistle:

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