I am now convinced that Milter was right in the other thread when he stated that one must be careful who one stands up with..(these is my interpretations of his words, I don’t know how to link).

Your interpretation is spot on!

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Things could be done differently rather than the constant in-your-face shout and rant.

Would I call him unpatriotic though? No. He’s patriotic enough for this country in his own way. I just don’t share his methods of getting things done.

I haven’t watched the video yet, but from what you said, I think I would tend to side with your observation.

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we do have some very good voices disgusted with the current sitaution and who are patriotic enough to want a peaceful and orderly change.

I’m sorry Mahmood but although I agree with you in that there are voices who are patriotic, etc. I don’t believe the above speakers (in the video) are those people who want a peaceful and orderly change.

I watched the video and I was extremely disturbed.
It had nothing to do with human rights, or right.
Before I begin, I have to say, that I’m not saying that things he said were untrue, I am saying that it was wrong, IMO, on so many levels.

1) the venue was not appropriate for this type of speech.
2) the audience were of one sect and the speech was sectarian and written for that target audience. (keep in mind the sheep approach we discussed somewhere on another thread, i think the women praying in the mosque thread)
3) the mindset is not pro-bahraini. It was anti-(certain people mentioned in the speech) and their entire family.
4) it was not positive, it was hateful. and instead of calling for right he was essentially saying to people let me tell how badly you have been treated.
5) he (AK) was winding up people and inciting them.
6) basically the second guy was saying there was no point in going to the polls.
7) the second guy giving the example of one sunni who stood on “their side” makes him sound like the exception.
8)AK was obviously not calling for an investigation because he admitted that he didn’t believe it was possible, so what was he calling for? If you go to a group of people and tell them that x,y and z have been done against you and the powers that be will be will not do anything for you, because they are the oppressors, what does he want? a civil war? is that the way forward? what good could come out of that?
9) this speech had nothing to do with humanrights nor with haq (truth). I think he truly believs he is standing for human rights in his activism but he is so not for nationalism in this instance.
10) I could go on..
but i think I have made my point.

now, what these people are preaching is so not what I want for my country. I don’t wish death on any family and I don’t want a civil war, and I am sick of hearing about sects. In fact, I think they can be dangerous if that is the path they want to lead us down. and I don’t see what other objective they might have.
Tell me something, if he doesn’t believe there can ever be an investigation, for the reasons he clearly explains, why go through this whole petition thing and sign it? Is it posturing? or is it so he can then turn around to people and say “see, I told you so” and add one more thing to his list of grievances?

If one wants to make a change, one does not bring it about by inciting unrest or by accumulating arsenal for future use.

I am now convinced that Milter was right in the other thread when he stated that one must be careful who one stands up with..(these is my interpretations of his words, I don’t know how to link).

if you want to make a difference, mend bridges and make fresh starts, you look for the commonalities with your opponents. you use that as starting point and slowly find more. you don’t sit there and trash them and collect points to use against people later and basically say they are s**t (whether or not it is true) and then expect people to turn to you and play best friends. that’s just stupid.

that is the difference and it is a huge one between the buttons which are about inclusive nationalism and what these people preach.

Milter was right, before and I was wrong.
It is not enough that the message be right, the messenger has to be looked at as well. if the messenger’s train stops in places you find objectionable, no matter how right the message, you should think hard before you decide to board. else, you might find yourself being asked to sacrifice your vaules somewhere along the ride.

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…I act upon what I view to be in my and my countrymen’s best self interest! We tried voicing our concerns, but that apparently did NOT work … The rest of Bahrainis are remaining quiet too …

I am sure that you intend to act upon your and your countrymen’s interest, but as you kindly deatiled, it is to what you view as best interest. As far as I’m clued up on the situation here in bahrain, people’s interest always was contrued by dignity and compliance to what all Bahrainis take as common decency, not lost hope. If the people of this land had lost hope then they’d be gone to another country long ago.

If voicing our concerns do not pose any change the first or second or third time, it would eventually do the time after that. If things don’t work in the first instance, it doesn’t mean that we should give up. Life, let alone political change, is alway full of obstacles, disappointments, and failures. But that doesn’t mean it all doesn’t pay off. We bang on all doors, and most probably half of them would open, and those are the ones we’d want to enter.

My friend, if what you only come across is bahrainis remaining quiet, then why should you follow the herd, and that is exactly what we’re trying to do, to give the voice back to the people, and that’s the least.

Be strong.

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Now to answer your question regarding who is fighting and speaking up, at the moment quite a lot actually, from Shaikh Salman bin Sager through to the whole crowd at the Haqq movement and of course the whole crew at the BCHR.

So we do have some very good voices disgusted with the current sitaution and who are patriotic enough to want a peaceful and orderly change.

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Peace

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