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Just to point out the differents between taking things literally or metaphorically when it is mentioned about gauging out eyes or cutting off limbs this is not literal it is used to emphasize how important it is to fight the inclination to be immoral.. of course we do not cut off our own limbs to prevent from sinning but this may be where the ideas in the islamic Law to do such things came from…. after all it is believed that many of the jewish and christian teachings were just reinterpreted and then incorporated into islam..

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As a further comment to your rather rambling statement in which you make many unsubstantiated accusations… when I meet someone who is so evidently confused about what christians believe as yourself then I start by pointing them to the following ..

From Mathew 5 of the new testament ..after all that you have pointed at so far is of the old testament . Jesus ushered in a new convenant (way of living) through his followers..

Read following from NIV

´1 Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2and he began to teach them saying:

3″Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.

14 “You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

The Fulfillment of the Law
17″Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the SMALLEST LETTER, not the least STOKE of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Murder
21″You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[b]will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,[c]‘ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23″Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you,

24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.

25″Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still with him on the way, or he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.

26I tell you the truth, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.[d]

Adultery
27″You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’[e]

28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Divorce
31″It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[f]
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
Oaths
33″Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.’ 34But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

An Eye for an Eye
38″You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[g] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love for Enemies
43″You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[i] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

IT MAY APPEAR A LITTLE LONG WINDED BUT I PUT THIS IN TO SHOW YOU WHICH IS THE AUTHENTIC FAITH OF PEACE !!! AND WHO IS THE REAL PRINCE OF PEACE !!

Jesus said that we will know his followers by their fruit so his true followers should be peace loving and serving others sacrificially .. and how shall we then judge true followers of Mohammed ? by the number of body parts they have managed to retain..??

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1. It is very sad when a religious person like yourself has to defract a difficult question by pointing out supposed faults in others beliefs… can you not argue purely on the merits of your faith or maybe there just aren´t many that´s why you resort to this tactic.?. Your method of debating reminds me of the politicians that have little constructive policy of their own so they criticize policies of others so as to distract from their own futility…. a sad day this is ….

However to answer your accusation as this is clearly what it is I would suggest you log into the following website:

http://www.answer-islam.org regarding jeremiah 8:8

where it deals with effectively this age old FALSE claim against the Bible.

May I add that in the Koran the Bible is held up to be a Holy book and Muslims are encouraged in Islam to read it … if this is the case why would they be encouraged to read something that has been corrupted..???.

On the contrary the Bible is the most historically authentic scripture ever written. If you disagree then check out :
http://www.Christiananswers.net Where you will beable to get your facts straightened out..

Peace be upon you
Victoria

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http://www.answering-christianity.com/urine.htm

The sections of this article are:

1- The Hadith (narration) by the Prophet.
2- The scientific facts about some animals’ urine.
3- Scientists discovered cure from camels for humans.

4- Proofs from the Noble Quran, Hadiths and Science that Camel Urine does have cure in it for humans – written by brother G. F. Haddad.

5- Who were the Tribe of Uraina?
6- What about the Bible’s cruelty and the slaughtering of suckling infants?

1- The Hadith (narration) by the Prophet:

First let us look at the Sayings (Hadiths) of our beloved Prophet that dealt with camel urine:

Narrated Abu Qilaba: “Anas said, “Some people of ‘Ukl or ‘Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.” Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu’), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)”

Cutting the hands and feet of the enemy in the Bible:

Before we proceed, it is important to know that the Bible’s Prophets too did similar punishment (cutting hands and feet of the enemy):

2 Samuel 4
10 when a man told me, ‘Saul is dead,’ and thought he was bringing good news, I seized him and put him to death in Ziklag. That was the reward I gave him for his news!
11 How much more-when wicked men have killed an innocent man in his own house and on his own bed-should I not now demand his blood from your hand and rid the earth of you!”
12 So David gave an order to his men, and they killed them. They cut off their hands and feet and hung the bodies by the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ish-Bosheth and buried it in Abner’s tomb at Hebron.

Please visit: Prophet Muhammad is a Murderer for KILLING the enemies? WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLE’S PROPHETS’ MURDERS that were blessed by GOD?

Refutation to the preposterous LIES of Jochen Katz about his Bible not containing inhumane murders from its Prophets!

2- The scientific facts about some animals’ urine:

A comment from sister Nicole Woods, an American young sister who embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her: “I just wanted to share the news with you that in products such as tylenol or asparine (not sure which but u can check the labels), there is an ingredient called PREMARIN. Biology majors here tell me that the name stands for PREgnant MARe urIN. Of course, no one would put unprocessed urine into medication… i’m sure it’s boiled or pasteurized or something. But the ingredient is used very much in the way the prophet (peace be upon him) suggested using camel urine.. such as for headaches. oh, well, i’m sure to you it sounds disgusting… think of it next time u reach for tylenol or asparine *wink*”

Further from a Muslimah, who works in the Medical field as a Mammographer; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her: “Estrogen product called PREMARIN is given to postmenopausal Women. This PREMARIN is extracted from HORSE URINE. The Estrogen product is hormones given to women.”

Further from brother Abu Adam on my Message Board; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:

“Here is another miracle in the Hadeeth. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in a hadeeth told someone to drink camel’s urine as a medical treatment.

Of course the ignorant Christians love to mock this hadeeth. Even I, thought this was a strange hadeeth. But look, in America, they have been driking horse urine for a long time as a cure.

Just like the Quran says, 41:53: “Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?”

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go to http://www.premarin.org for the following. (also see premarin.com)

Premarin® stands for Pregnant Mares’ Urine (PREgnant MARes’ urINe)

Premarin (including Prempro, Premphase, Prempac, and Premelle) is a drug made up of conjugated estrogens obtained from the urine of pregnant mares — put out in many forms (pills, creams, injections, patches, vaginal rings) and is used to reduce the symptoms of menopause in women or women who have had a hysterectomy. It is also prescribed to nearly eliminate the risk of osteoporosis (the brittling of bones) and reduce the chance of heart disease in women over 50.”

Further from brother Abdul Hafiz; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

The Prophet prescribing Camel Urine as medicine:

First of all, let us clarify the reason and story behind the prescription. Some people had become very ill at the time of the prophet, and were suffering from an unknown illness. Their bellies had swollen and they were not in a fit state. Hence, the prophet said to them, that they would find a cure in the milk and urine of a camel and so he sent them out to an area where camels were grazing. These men went to this area and drank the milk and urine. Sure enough, just like the Prophet said, they were cured and became fit and healthy.

However, at the same time, evil thoughts entered their minds and they decided they wanted the camels for themselves. They therefore killed the owner, and made off with the camels. When news of the murder reached the prophet, he sent an envoy to capture the men, and when they were captured and brought before the prophet, capital punishment was meted out to them.

Having read this story, what do we conclude from it? The answering islam team would have us believe that this Hadith means that drinking camel urine is permissible in Islam. This is INCORRECT. The real meaning of this Hadith is that if a person needs to consume an impure and impermissible substance as a cure for an illness, and no other reasonable alternative is available, then it is permissible. In all other circumstances, camel urine is prohibited.

Wassalaam

Please visit Science in the Noble Quran and Islam.

3- Scientists discovered cure from camels for humans:

Please visit Scientists discovered cure from camels for humans.

4- Proofs from the Noble Quran, Hadiths and Science that Camel Urine does have cure in it for humans – written by brother G. F. Haddad:

Please visit: Camel Milk And Urine Hadiths. The link was sent to me by brother MENJ; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

5- Who were the Tribe of Uraina?

The tribe of Uraina or Bani Uraina (in Arabic) were one of the worst Pagan tribes that the Muslims had to face. Their style in fighting was to attack the Muslims during the night and kill as much men as possible. They also used all of the dirty tricks they could to (1) defeat the Muslims; (2) sneaking up on the Muslims; and (3) cause enmity between the Muslims and other Pagan tribes.

In all of the battles that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him entered, he never killed any captive, nor did he torture any captive. Only the tribe of Uraina did it.

The men from Bani Uraina who came to the Muslims and pretended to embraced Islam played the same tricks that their tribe always played. They pretended to be Muslims, and then when the opportunity presented itself, they would kill as much as possible and run away.

Notice how Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him trusted them at first, regardless of the bad history that this tribe had. He never generalized, and he gave those men a chance and the benefit of the doubt.

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him didn’t order the hard punishment for those hypocrites because they were hypocrites. Muslims during the weak times of Islam suffered from lots and lots of hypocrites. The People of the Book (Jews and Christians) were among the worst hypocrites; “A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say: Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam). (The Noble Quran, 3:72)”

Prophet Muhammad never ordered for any of the Jewish or Christian hypocrite’s hands or legs to be cut off. He only did it to Bani Uraina, because they highly deserved it!.

So the point is, Islam DOES NOT order the cutting of the right hand and left leg, or the left hand and right leg of any hypocrite who UNTRUTHFULLY embraces Islam and then leaves it later on, because many during the weak times of Islam embraced Islam and left it, and no such torture happened to them. However Prophet Muhammad did later on prevent the hypocrites from entering Islam and later deserting it.

Let us look at the following Noble Verse to see when Islam would allow for the cutting of the hands and feet of the enemy:

“The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; (The Noble Quran, 5:33)”

If the enemy is a very bad enemy and are dedicated to fight Islam and the Muslims till death, then Muslims are ordered to punish them severely by either executing them, crucifying them, cutting off their hands and feet from opposite sides or exile them from the land. This Noble Verse does not apply to all of the enemies of Islam. It only applies to the worst enemies such as Bani Uraina during our beloved Prophet’s time.

Please visit Can Muslims torture prisoners of war?

6- What about the Bible’s cruelty and the slaughtering of suckling infants?

Introduction: We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption! GOD Almighty Said: “`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!

See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.

The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.

There are several Verses in the Bible that seem to be very cruel. Let us look at few of them:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

Let us look at Numbers 31:17 “Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”

Also, let us look at Numbers 31:35-40 “[From the captives of war] 32,000 women who had never slept with a man…….of which the tribute for the LORD was 32 [among them were virgin girls].”

Why kill the innocent children? Why kill all of the non-virgin women? Back then, it was only men who fought men in wars. Women rarely fought in battle fields. So what crime did the innocent children and the non-virgin women do?

This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: “But after they had moved it, the LORD’s hand was against that city, throwing it into a great panic. He afflicted the people of the city, both young and old, with an outbreak of tumors. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Samuel 5:9)”

“tumors” was defined as “with tumors in the groin.” This is verified at this link.

Why torture the enemies by destroying their groins?

I wonder how the hypocrites of the Christian “Answering Islam” team would reply to these verses from their x-rated pornographic Bible.

Did you also know that fathers are allowed to insert their fingers into their daughters’ vaginas in the porn-full bible?

My Question: My question to those hypocrites is, using your own standards, does this also make your porn-full bible an “invalid” book?

We are not even sure that the books of “Numbers” and “1 Samuel” are GOD’s Divine Words. Let us look at what the NIV Bible’s Theologians had to say about them:

The Book of Numbers:

“It is not necessary, however, to claim that Numbers came from Moses’ hand complete and in final form. Portions of the book were probably added by scribes or editors from later periods of Israel’s history. For example, the protestation of the humility of Moses (12:3) would hardly be convincing if it came from his own mouth. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 183)”

So in reality, we don’t know who were all the authors who wrote the book of Numbers. How is it possible then to call the book of Numbers the True Living Revelations of GOD Almighty if the book had been tampered with by the man-made laws of the scribes?

As you clearly saw in Jeremiah 8:8 in the introduction above, GOD Almighty condemned the laws of the scribes and accused them for turning the Bible into a lie.

The books of 1 and 2 Samuel:

“Many questions have arisen pertaining to the literary character, authorship and date of 1,2 Samuel.”

“Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity.”

(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368).

Again, unknown books with unknown authors had been inserted into the Bible and are now considered GOD’s Revelations. What a joke! Since when do we consider man-made stories and narrations as GOD’s Revelations?

(www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm) Please visit the link to see the NIV Bible Book’s Bibliography in case you wish to order it.

Please visit Why did Muhammad take up arms and Christ didn’t? Why did Islam spread by the sword if it were indeed a Religion of Truth, and Christianity didn’t? See my response to this misunderstanding. Jesus killed his enemies in the Bible?

Back to Prophet Muhammad’s peace be upon him section.

Science in the Noble Quran and Islam.

Back to Rebuttals and exposing the cheap lies of the Christian “Answering Islam” team.

Contradictions and Proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible.

Why did Muhammad take up arms and Christ didn’t? Why did Islam spread by the sword if it were indeed a Religion of Truth, and Christianity didn’t?

Can Muslims torture prisoners of war?

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The following article was taken from

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1702000/1702393.stm

Camels give many deadly viruses the hump

By North Africa correspondent David Bamford

Scientists from the United Arab Emirates have proposed using one of the world’s hardiest mammals – the camel – in the campaign to fight and eradicate human diseases.

Camels are free from viruses such as foot and mouth

A team led by Dr Sabah Jassim from the Zayed Complex for Herbal Research and Traditional Medicine has suggested that camels are highly resistant to many deadly viral diseases and their antibodies could be used for new drugs.

Camels have a unique physiology which allows them to thrive in some of the world’s harshest environments.

They can survive the perils of desert dehydration by storing water in their bloodstream; they can survive lack of food by holding extra fatty tissue in their humps; their milk stays fresh much longer than that of a cow.

Natural immunity

But as well as these advantages, they have immune systems that are so robust, they remain free from many of the viral diseases that affect other mammals, such as foot-and-mouth and rinderpest.

The antibodies that camels carry inside them are structurally much simpler than those of humans, and Dr Sabah Jassim suggests they would be much simpler to replicate artificially than human antibodies.

Writing in the British Institute of Biology’s magazine, The Biologist, Dr Jassim says the small size of camel antibodies would also allow them to penetrate deep into human tissue and cells that would not be otherwise accessible.

He said the camel antibodies, by being transported from the desert sands into the laboratory test tube, have the potential to be a vital weapon against human diseases.

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But, I say, I am obviously missing something. I would like to discuss with a muslim what I am doing wrong here. Any place you could point me ?

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Tom, our positions are very plain and oft repeated. Look through the archive please before you start another long and much repeated thread.

To put it simply, no, I do not believe in revenge, and that makes me a very good Muslim.

Now before you reply, I invite you to spend some time to read at least the top 10 most commented articles, they all deal with this theme. You can find those in the sidebar.

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Ok. But you might be right about the 9:5 verse (although I’m not convinced, but it is a good argument).

You have scarcely mentioned the previous verse. Clearly revenge (up to the same as the damage that was taken) is the law for muslims, unless mercy is granted. So in the law, an eye should be taken for an eye by default.

And anybody who fights this being in the law, such as yourself, is a zalimun (sorry I don’t know the connection between dhalim and zalimun, but I would say clearly that a zalimun is an unbeliever, this fighting against “an eye for an eye” is not merely a misstep, it destroys your faith)

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