I’d be down with the whole “social disharmony” thing if the US was being over-run by Muslims, though. If that happens, I may have to move to Mexico.

Ditto Craig.

If the US even _thinks_ about doing to the Arab-Americans what they did to the Japanese-Americans during WWII, ill be the first to contribute to the “social disharmony” you’re so “down” with.

-Ibn

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What “uneasy status quo”? This is what is usually done about potentially criminal subcultures: police infiltrates them and arrests the criminals. No different from any underworld. The long-term result is, that more and more Muslims get pissed about being an underworld and accept mainstream values instead.

Not much time at the moment, so here are
two words: demographic shift.

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For how long will this uneasy status quo continue?

What “uneasy status quo”? This is what is usually done about potentially criminal subcultures: police infiltrates them and arrests the criminals. No different from any underworld. The long-term result is, that more and more Muslims get pissed about being an underworld and accept mainstream values instead. This is happening all the time, but it does not interest media, for which only bad news is newsworthy.

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1. the vast majority of these demographics are driven by ‘guest workers’, not immigrants…very few of these guys are able to purchase residency here anyway…these poor bastards will basically leave with the tower cranes once they’ve built all that we can think of building

2. interesting to hear the corresponding view from across the puddle link

3. why is everyone making such a drama about what is essentially the history of mankind? after all, we are living in a democratic age and the system of governors, citizens and slaves we have is probably closer to the Platonic ideal of a Republic than anywhere else on the planet…i mean seriously, far greater minds have tussled with the issue of ‘who shovels the shit if we are all equal’…just be happy it ain’t you…

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This is of course anti-immigrationist crap. For example, in France there hasn’t been a major terrorist incident for years, because mosques have been infiltrated and uncomfortable fundamentalist imams deported without much fuss.

For how long will this uneasy status quo continue?

Filipinos and Hindu Indians will demand full citizenship, thwy won’t turn Muslim, and they won’t budge.

Not true. They will budge and it will be quite possible for Khaleeji governments and native peoples (who will be pretty unanimous on this issue) to unite and shift them. Who in the region, after all, are the ones with the military budgets? There were protests regarding this issue from Indians in the UAE a few years ago – but not for long.

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This is of course anti-immigrationist crap. For example, in France there hasn’t been a major terrorist incident for years, because mosques have been infiltrated and uncomfortable fundamentalist imams deported without much fuss.

The percentage of immigrants in Gulf countries is much higher than in your typical European country. And to put it mildly, Muslim countries aren’t very keen on assimilating newcomers (except those who are happy to turn Muslim, maybe), while European and Western culture is by its very “decadence” very inclusive and seductive. So, to be quite blunt, I am afraid there is much more potential for conflict in the Gulf countries: Filipinos and Hindu Indians will demand full citizenship, thwy won’t turn Muslim, and they won’t budge. Neither will the hardline nativists and Islamists in Gulf countries. That could be a recipe for disaster and racial war.

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Seriously, I think Bahrain will cope OK. The really fun part is, how those Saudi princes who think they are Allah’s bounty to humanity will copy. Now think of THEIR faces the day the Filipina nurse comes to tell them the United Workers’ Provisional Strikers’ Committee has taken over and that Tagalog and Hindi have been declared co-official languages.

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You’re not getting the point. I’m not thanking him, nor the EDB or gray mckinsey.. Niether of them solved anything yet. He’s just my favorite because he says bold things, regardless of their validity.

Question is, who is the REAL reason labour market reform, and economic reform for that matter, turned into waiting for Godut?

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