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		<title>By: Kanaa lounaaksi &#171; kaksi merta</title>
		<link>http://mahmood.tv/2008/02/11/chicken-for-lunch/comment-page-2/#comment-111930</link>
		<dc:creator>Kanaa lounaaksi &#171; kaksi merta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nowhere man</title>
		<link>http://mahmood.tv/2008/02/11/chicken-for-lunch/comment-page-2/#comment-111643</link>
		<dc:creator>nowhere man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Bonny, quite true. This in fact is a global phenomenon, certainly transcendent of any specific region or country. Its true, as Bahraini says, that domestic laborers would perform the tasks done by migrants or &quot;guest workers&quot; &lt;em&gt;if &lt;/em&gt;they were paid a fair and reasonable wage. However, wealthy capitalists are given the option of using migrant labor at a fraction of the cost. Works for them.

As Bahraini points out, many of the migrants are so poor and destitute in their home countries that they are compelled to accept even the miserable wages and living conditions that are offered them abroad, such as in Bahrain. Unsurprisingly, the ruling elites who control the government - the same class which controls business - are willing to &quot;turn a blind eye&quot; to the despicable conditions under which these people are forced to live. When they protest and struggle for better lives, many people blame &lt;em&gt;them&lt;/em&gt; for their present condition, and tell them to shut up and accept their position. All the while, the wealthy owners are profiting off of the broken backs of our brothers and sisters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Bonny, quite true. This in fact is a global phenomenon, certainly transcendent of any specific region or country. Its true, as Bahraini says, that domestic laborers would perform the tasks done by migrants or &#8220;guest workers&#8221; <em>if </em>they were paid a fair and reasonable wage. However, wealthy capitalists are given the option of using migrant labor at a fraction of the cost. Works for them.</p>
<p>As Bahraini points out, many of the migrants are so poor and destitute in their home countries that they are compelled to accept even the miserable wages and living conditions that are offered them abroad, such as in Bahrain. Unsurprisingly, the ruling elites who control the government &#8211; the same class which controls business &#8211; are willing to &#8220;turn a blind eye&#8221; to the despicable conditions under which these people are forced to live. When they protest and struggle for better lives, many people blame <em>them</em> for their present condition, and tell them to shut up and accept their position. All the while, the wealthy owners are profiting off of the broken backs of our brothers and sisters.</p>
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		<title>By: bonny mascarenhas</title>
		<link>http://mahmood.tv/2008/02/11/chicken-for-lunch/comment-page-2/#comment-111607</link>
		<dc:creator>bonny mascarenhas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>point taken bahraini and screwed...
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Bahrainis would work in the construction sector if they were paid a decent wage. take the 57 BD salary + accomodation + annual tickets and it might equal something close to 170 BD to 200. Many Bahrainis would be more than happy to get a BD200 salary..&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

but consider this
1.)would you stay in the kind of accommodation they were given?..
2.)they don&#039;t get an annual ticket.. it every two years... so lets do some math... (tkt to india - BD220 divide by 24months (2years))= BD9/- permonth
So the the total monthly salary including ticket= 57+9= &lt;strong&gt;BD66&lt;/strong&gt; (and not BD170 as you have assumed)

3.)The workers allege they are not given medical leave.. one man said he fell from a scaffolding and hurt his knee... he showed his swollen knee to me.. another said his nose was cut in two (both claimed the incidents occurred on worksites.)
They both said that they had they salary cut for the days they didn&#039;t work while recovering and no insurance papers were filed by the company. The men were told that if they wnted insurance they had to do it....

I agree with you if the men had a decent place to live and proper medical care they had no right to complain. 

But if you thing there are Bahrainis willing to work for BD57 (including accommodation)a month and support a family, get me their signatures. i promise you i will do my best to get it publicized and get them jobs. Please don&#039;t think i am being sarcastic, i mean what i say.

I have lived in bahrain from 1992 and have worked with seen how some of the poor bahraini&#039;s live.  They are my friends and i am glad to say that they are hard working. Three of them work two jobs in order to save money.
I spoke to them today b4 writing this and they said that it is ridiculous thought that somebody should think that any person (not bahraini) could live on BD57 a month even including accommodation.

&quot;That amount is not enough for even an individual,&quot; one of them told me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>point taken bahraini and screwed&#8230;<br />
<em>&#8220;Bahrainis would work in the construction sector if they were paid a decent wage. take the 57 BD salary + accomodation + annual tickets and it might equal something close to 170 BD to 200. Many Bahrainis would be more than happy to get a BD200 salary..&#8221;</em></p>
<p>but consider this<br />
1.)would you stay in the kind of accommodation they were given?..<br />
2.)they don&#8217;t get an annual ticket.. it every two years&#8230; so lets do some math&#8230; (tkt to india &#8211; BD220 divide by 24months (2years))= BD9/- permonth<br />
So the the total monthly salary including ticket= 57+9= <strong>BD66</strong> (and not BD170 as you have assumed)</p>
<p>3.)The workers allege they are not given medical leave.. one man said he fell from a scaffolding and hurt his knee&#8230; he showed his swollen knee to me.. another said his nose was cut in two (both claimed the incidents occurred on worksites.)<br />
They both said that they had they salary cut for the days they didn&#8217;t work while recovering and no insurance papers were filed by the company. The men were told that if they wnted insurance they had to do it&#8230;.</p>
<p>I agree with you if the men had a decent place to live and proper medical care they had no right to complain. </p>
<p>But if you thing there are Bahrainis willing to work for BD57 (including accommodation)a month and support a family, get me their signatures. i promise you i will do my best to get it publicized and get them jobs. Please don&#8217;t think i am being sarcastic, i mean what i say.</p>
<p>I have lived in bahrain from 1992 and have worked with seen how some of the poor bahraini&#8217;s live.  They are my friends and i am glad to say that they are hard working. Three of them work two jobs in order to save money.<br />
I spoke to them today b4 writing this and they said that it is ridiculous thought that somebody should think that any person (not bahraini) could live on BD57 a month even including accommodation.</p>
<p>&#8220;That amount is not enough for even an individual,&#8221; one of them told me.</p>
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		<title>By: cheese cake</title>
		<link>http://mahmood.tv/2008/02/11/chicken-for-lunch/comment-page-2/#comment-111601</link>
		<dc:creator>cheese cake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well B.S let me tell you one thing having a degree fresh out of college means nothing to any employer any where in the world; all it means is you have the basic knowledge to start a bottom level position and learn in the real world.I have been a licenced aicraft engineer for 15 years involved in aviation maintenance for 25 years all over the world both civilian &amp; military how can you say a someone with no experience but has a new licence the same as mine should be paid the same as a western expat everywhere in the world people are paid for there experience, where they have worked and so on. Mahmood understands everything I have said he was a LAME once upon a time.

P.S: BS is a good handle for you Bahraini &amp; screwed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well B.S let me tell you one thing having a degree fresh out of college means nothing to any employer any where in the world; all it means is you have the basic knowledge to start a bottom level position and learn in the real world.I have been a licenced aicraft engineer for 15 years involved in aviation maintenance for 25 years all over the world both civilian &amp; military how can you say a someone with no experience but has a new licence the same as mine should be paid the same as a western expat everywhere in the world people are paid for there experience, where they have worked and so on. Mahmood understands everything I have said he was a LAME once upon a time.</p>
<p>P.S: BS is a good handle for you Bahraini &amp; screwed</p>
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		<title>By: kevin of southbank</title>
		<link>http://mahmood.tv/2008/02/11/chicken-for-lunch/comment-page-2/#comment-111599</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin of southbank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though we know someone who absolutely loves chicken. a link is here www.slanderyou.blogspot.com. Deep fried especially. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though we know someone who absolutely loves chicken. a link is here <a href="http://www.slanderyou.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.slanderyou.blogspot.com</a>. Deep fried especially. <img src='http://mahmood.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bahraini and Screwed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bahraini and Screwed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you really think Bahrainis wouldn&#039;t work in the construction sector if they were paid a good wage? haven&#039;t you seen Bahrainis washing cars for money? haven&#039;t you seen them demean theirselves for money? trust me Bahrainis would work in the construction sector if they were paid a decent wage. take the 57 BD salary + accomodation + annual tickets and it might equal something close to 170 BD to 200. Many Bahrainis would be more than happy to get a BD200 salary.. I&#039;m not discriminating, and I don&#039;t want anyone to think that I&#039;m a racist. I&#039;m definitely not.. All I&#039;m saying is the problem is with the government as a whole.. I think you all agree with me when I say that many ministers and other officials aren&#039;t even qualified enough to be in their position, especially those MPs. How do we expect our lives to get better if our futures are in the hands of those? I understand that Asians and all other expats come here for a better living, of course that&#039;s what I said earlier. If I had a chance to leave Bahrain for a better living I will. the thing is, we Bahrainis - or at least myself -  are attached to this land in an indescribable way. When I say screwed I dont mean I signed a contract that screwed me up, I mean I&#039;m a Bahraini in my own land, in the one place that I call home and I&#039;m being screwed by the government that for some reason hates Bahrainis. And yes the government does prefer to pay more to expats than less to Bahrainis. It&#039;s the sad truth..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you really think Bahrainis wouldn&#8217;t work in the construction sector if they were paid a good wage? haven&#8217;t you seen Bahrainis washing cars for money? haven&#8217;t you seen them demean theirselves for money? trust me Bahrainis would work in the construction sector if they were paid a decent wage. take the 57 BD salary + accomodation + annual tickets and it might equal something close to 170 BD to 200. Many Bahrainis would be more than happy to get a BD200 salary.. I&#8217;m not discriminating, and I don&#8217;t want anyone to think that I&#8217;m a racist. I&#8217;m definitely not.. All I&#8217;m saying is the problem is with the government as a whole.. I think you all agree with me when I say that many ministers and other officials aren&#8217;t even qualified enough to be in their position, especially those MPs. How do we expect our lives to get better if our futures are in the hands of those? I understand that Asians and all other expats come here for a better living, of course that&#8217;s what I said earlier. If I had a chance to leave Bahrain for a better living I will. the thing is, we Bahrainis &#8211; or at least myself &#8211;  are attached to this land in an indescribable way. When I say screwed I dont mean I signed a contract that screwed me up, I mean I&#8217;m a Bahraini in my own land, in the one place that I call home and I&#8217;m being screwed by the government that for some reason hates Bahrainis. And yes the government does prefer to pay more to expats than less to Bahrainis. It&#8217;s the sad truth..</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leonard: Well, if you can&#039;t adapt and learn new skills, I suppose it&#039;s only right to blame others for wanting to take your job. Survival of the fittest, isn&#039;t that the mantra of people with similar ideals? 

Mexico? Why would you go there, your ilk don&#039;t want them coming here for a job (well, as long as they&#039;re legal and know their place as farm workers and gardeners y&#039;all want them, right?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leonard: Well, if you can&#8217;t adapt and learn new skills, I suppose it&#8217;s only right to blame others for wanting to take your job. Survival of the fittest, isn&#8217;t that the mantra of people with similar ideals? </p>
<p>Mexico? Why would you go there, your ilk don&#8217;t want them coming here for a job (well, as long as they&#8217;re legal and know their place as farm workers and gardeners y&#8217;all want them, right?).</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://mahmood.tv/2008/02/11/chicken-for-lunch/comment-page-2/#comment-111484</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;victims of the Ministry’s System for the past five years&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alright - I might not think that ministry in particular is to blame entirely - I think the govt as a whole is to blame for not introducing minimum wage &lt;strong&gt;for all&lt;/strong&gt;. This would ensure that Bahraini compete on an equal playing field to imported labour. Wouldnt it be great to see Bahrainis involved in manual labor? Building their own country?

Allot of contractors say introducing a minimum wage would be &quot;detrimental&quot; to the economy. Would it really? If everyone was paid a decent wage would they not have more cash to spend and reinvest it into the economy through the purchase of goods and services?

Just to let you guys know, I think today&#039;s Middle East Business Report on BBC World @ &lt;strong&gt;5:30pm&lt;/strong&gt; is a must watch. They will be looking at foreign labor and unemployment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>victims of the Ministry’s System for the past five years</p></blockquote>
<p>Alright &#8211; I might not think that ministry in particular is to blame entirely &#8211; I think the govt as a whole is to blame for not introducing minimum wage <strong>for all</strong>. This would ensure that Bahraini compete on an equal playing field to imported labour. Wouldnt it be great to see Bahrainis involved in manual labor? Building their own country?</p>
<p>Allot of contractors say introducing a minimum wage would be &#8220;detrimental&#8221; to the economy. Would it really? If everyone was paid a decent wage would they not have more cash to spend and reinvest it into the economy through the purchase of goods and services?</p>
<p>Just to let you guys know, I think today&#8217;s Middle East Business Report on BBC World @ <strong>5:30pm</strong> is a must watch. They will be looking at foreign labor and unemployment.</p>
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		<title>By: Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bahraini and Screwed,

You say &quot;they signed contracts knowing and agreeing to what they’re getting paid&quot;.

I say this should apply to you too! Why are you complaining of being &quot;screwed&quot;? You had agreed to that did you not?

Your argument is poor and shameful. As Mahmood has said “treat others as you wish to be treated yourself“</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bahraini and Screwed,</p>
<p>You say &#8220;they signed contracts knowing and agreeing to what they’re getting paid&#8221;.</p>
<p>I say this should apply to you too! Why are you complaining of being &#8220;screwed&#8221;? You had agreed to that did you not?</p>
<p>Your argument is poor and shameful. As Mahmood has said “treat others as you wish to be treated yourself“</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main culprit must be the Ministry of Works and Housing.

If they paid more to have their houses built by trained Bahrainis and stopped trying to give these contracts to the lowest bidder all the time - a process which forces Contractors to use the cheapest labour available in the world rather than encouraging locals - then houses would be built and Bahrainis would have jobs. 

I am always disappointed when the King or Works and Housing Minister promises thousands of houses because I know the Bahraini people do not rise to the challange and the Minister does not insist that the workers are Bahrainis - he prefers cheap houses built by cheap Indians. Just look at the Tender Minister as well, full of praise for saving money for the Governent by open tender lowest bidder systems introduced. 

If a contractor gave two prices for a housing project - one using Indian labour and the other using Bahrain labour the Government would pick the cheaper Indian one every time.

So stop blaming the Contractors and stop blaming the Indians they are victims of the Ministry&#039;s System for the past five years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main culprit must be the Ministry of Works and Housing.</p>
<p>If they paid more to have their houses built by trained Bahrainis and stopped trying to give these contracts to the lowest bidder all the time &#8211; a process which forces Contractors to use the cheapest labour available in the world rather than encouraging locals &#8211; then houses would be built and Bahrainis would have jobs. </p>
<p>I am always disappointed when the King or Works and Housing Minister promises thousands of houses because I know the Bahraini people do not rise to the challange and the Minister does not insist that the workers are Bahrainis &#8211; he prefers cheap houses built by cheap Indians. Just look at the Tender Minister as well, full of praise for saving money for the Governent by open tender lowest bidder systems introduced. </p>
<p>If a contractor gave two prices for a housing project &#8211; one using Indian labour and the other using Bahrain labour the Government would pick the cheaper Indian one every time.</p>
<p>So stop blaming the Contractors and stop blaming the Indians they are victims of the Ministry&#8217;s System for the past five years.</p>
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