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The person used the word civilized as an adjective, not as the verb definition you discussed. Your right that every culture has their correct version of ethical and moral behavior. As an anthropologist it is not my place to be ethnocentric and to say that my way is the only way.

On another note, I am not really sure why you felt compelled to express your faith in your comments. They really did not fit with the topic.
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You are right about your deffinition of the word civilization but i believe Mike meant the word civilized
which comes from the verb to civilize ( to bring culture and education to a primitive people or to improve a persons manners , Oxford dictionary) I don´t mean to split hairs but we need to decide what we understand civilized behavior to be… This is the crux of what a healthy society should be . The problem is that societies evolve their own deffinitions of civilized behaviour from the dominant culture they are immersed . If a society is immersed in the dominant culture of fundamental islam than cutting someone´s hand off or stoning an adulterer to death is not considered uncivilized…Or if a society is immersed in a culture of secularism which avoids religious influence than aborting millions of unwanted babies yearly would not be considered uncivilized. This is the problem . We all have a different idea of what civilized is.

I have personally decided to model myself and what I THINK is civilized behavior and this is the person and character of Jesus the christ ,piih, because he is the best example of peace ,love and justice that ever walked this planet. If people followed his example the world would be filled with peace love and justice too. But as long as we find other less worthy role models to emulate then hate , discension , distrust and injustice will always exist anywhere you go.

This is the sad fact of realty…..but it does not mean I´m a pessimist not at all.. I have great optimism because I hold onto the promise written in the holy scriptures that
” Never again will they hunger
never again will they thirst
The sun will not beat upon them
Nor any scorching heat .
For the lamb at the center of the throne,
will be their shepherd.
He will lead them to springs of living
water. and God will wipe away every tear from
their eyes.. rev 7:16

This means that one day in the future He will establish a truly civilized society with justice for all.

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He has known, since September 12 2001, that this was the best he could hope for. He did well to survive to collect his pension.

The problem isn’t what he does next. The problem is what Pakistan is going to do next, now that the last guy who isn’t actually crazy is leaving.

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I’ll take that, thanks very much. Social justice is the missing ingredient in all of our Arab and most Muslim countries.

Social Justice could mean anything theses days. There are whole political groups that clamor for ‘social justice’ based around the model of groups like Hamas or similar.

True ‘social justice’ is dependent on a strong civil society, respect for (not fear of the) law, political representation, and a true separation of church and state.

Can this happen in Muslim nations?

The first step is obvious: remove the Mosque from having political power, and then everything else can be built.

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A civilization is a society or culture group normally defined as a complex society characterized by the practice of agriculture and settlement in cities. Compared with other cultures, members of a civilization are organized into a diverse division of labour and an intricate social hierarchy.

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I would think that to see true democracy you have to look to Northern Europe to Sandanavia where monarchy and social justice live side by side.

I’ll take that, thanks very much. Social justice is the missing ingredient in all of our Arab and most Muslim countries.

Give me social justice and keep the monarchy in any guise they like, as long as they too could be held to account and limit the public coffer outlay only to a very distinct and chosen few.

Maybe that is why our maker sent all his messengers to these latitudes, we were the ones who needed it !!!

Well, maybe the experiment should now be replicated in those Northern climes in order to screw up their chances too. At least that would ensure that the whole world is at par! <just kidding – and running and ducking>

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This was acceptance of the human need for an authority figure to give secular purpose to life.

The same emotion is captured here in Bahrain and our dutiful populace respond in the time honoured manner of flag waving and picture posting.

Whilst the rest of the world moves on our quaint customs here have their uses and it is far preferrable to other forms of democracy that exist in Africa, south asia and if I may be so bold – the USA.

USA life appears to be devoid of culture and any real meaning apart from ” see it grab it or sue it” and if you look closely you will see USA also has its slaves and exploitations.

I would think that to see true democracy you have to look to Northern Europe to Sandanavia where monarchy and social justice live side by side.

Northern Europe is a good example because long ago, with the long hard winters experienced in that part of the world, without hard work cooperation and planning etc all the lazy trouble makers and rabble rousers simply starved to death and the remaining gene pool was strengthened.

It is a sad fact that the further north you go the more stable society becomes. Maybe that is why our maker sent all his messengers to these latitudes, we were the ones who needed it !!!

Anyhow good luck to Pakistan they are going to need it!!

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