In support of Dr. Ibtihal Al-Khatib

14 Feb, '10

Declaration: I totally support Dr. Ibtihal Al-Khatib in her call to separate religion from the affairs of state, and that a person should have the freedom to choose what and how they worship.

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  1. Matthew says:

    Does this include the freedom to not believe? I would hope so.

  2. mohd says:

    1) What about a group of people having public sex on the beach/mall/park/club , shall their be someone to stop/advise them ? why ? they are asking for their freedom.

    2) What if a group of people opened a society to distribute diseases ( aids , etc) , shall we say it is wrong ? why ? maybe they will invent something new ?

    • mahmood says:

      You need to listen to interview with an open mind. You might actually learn something.

      • mohd says:

        Dear Mahmood , I have listened to it and to many other talks in the same direction. I have read a lot about these concepts and theories. I have lived and worked in the east and west. I am trying to find answers about the main concepts not just a 2-3 hour interview. I am not saying that I totally disagree with what she said , but I can’t see the secularism as a complete solution.

    • Roger says:

      Such is not the issue. If what a person does will not infringe on your rights to life, liberty and security it should not be restricted. What good is faith without virtue? How much virtue is there in being faithful to a religion or god for fear of death? There is no righteousness in following a thing because of coercion… rather it is cowardice and dishonest.

  3. Anonny says:

    mohd,

    The interview was about freedom of worship and you talk about stupid things like public sex and some kind of sick licence to spread fatal diseases? It is sad that you can be so easily triggered into horrible thoughts like these, and for no intelligent reason.

    Now I think the reasonable readers here can keep their minds away from sex and disease for just long enough to consider the difference between freedom of worship and secularism. Do you think you could try
    posting without some childish resort to disgusting, inappropriate and irrelevant comparisions?

    You say you don’t totally disagree with what the doctor said? Then why do you immediately dig into the dirtiest corner of your mind to compare her quite reasonable remarks with some sick scenario of sex and disease that your brain came up with – totally without anyone’s help – least of all Dr. Ibtihal’s?

    After looking at the first thing _your_ mind came up with, I don’t believe anybody here will come to _you_ in search of any kind of solution – complete or incomplete.

  4. mohd says:

    Dear Anonny, I don’t know if you listen to the complete interview and some others that are available on youtube or not.

    These “stupid things” are part of this freedom whether you like them or not! Take away all the religions and let people think/behave/do what they want and don’t advice/control their private acts and again whether you like them or not!

    One of the funniest topics when the secularism countries/people talk about human rights and they are the first ones to destroy and not respect the others.

  5. Reeshiez says:

    The problem with this interview is that Ibtihal al Khatib and the interviewer are on completely different levels. I don’t think he really understood what she was saying and that’s a shame. He was asking the wrong questions and I am impressed at how calmly and eloquently she was able to answer him. Thanks for sharing the interview. She’s a really brave and smart women.

    • mahmood says:

      I thought so too. The poor soul was completely out of his depth, and it showed.

      Still, Dr Ibtihal explained her position in a very eloquent way.

  6. Anonny says:

    mohd,

    You obviously don’t understand. Who was talking about taking away people’s religions? Dr Ibtihal was talking about giving people the right to worship according to their religious beliefs – the right to practice their religion!

    Thank you for not showing us any more of your thoughts about sex and disease. But now I think you are showing us your unfair prejudices.

  7. Leith says:

    After following Dr al-Kateeb and other debates regarding Kuwait, I have noticed activists like her do not want to adopt a Western style system or even adopt a secular system like the one in Turkey. What they want is to safeguard the freedoms that already exist in their constitution because the fanatics have been desperate to find an excuse to control people by using their version of religion to take over. However, these personal freedoms collide with the general interpretation of Islam, which I blame their government for not making enough effort to improve the educational system. In addition, before we can talk about freedom of belief in the Arab World, people there need to learn to think on their own and make their own choices because I see that family or the extended one still makes decisions on behalf of other members. That is the number one problem because you cannot bring about reform when you have many that rely on what others tell them to do.

  8. mohd says:

    Dear Mahmood, they have invented many things but from the ethics and human rights side , some of the Arabs during Jahhilyah for example were burying their daughters! That mean all this conversation may not exist.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Arab_societies#Arab_women_before_Islam

    and swingers
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging

    Most parts of the world had other religions which again put some emphasize on ethics.

    Google for example “nude marathoons” around the world and two of the them were in my friends university campuses which are from the top 50 schools ! Some may say this is an extreme and we should put some restriction on it , but why ? it is part of others freedom and they are not intruding with yours , so you should respect their freedom !

    Dear Annoy , I suggest that spend sometime looking at other talks and read some books about the concept, and the Q&A that are raised ( I didn’t invent something new !), not just making a final decision from a single interview.

    • mahmood says:

      Mohd, religion did not invent ethics. Ethics are a basic human (and even animal) instinct. People know what’s right and wrong and don’t really need religion to distinguish between the two for them.

      Your examples are superfluous really, because I can show you many more examples of how so called Muslims behave right here in this country. All you have to do is read the crime and court pages in the local newspapers, and I contend that what we see reported (a minute part of what actually happens) is by far more heinous than your particular examples.

      So please don’t discount the whole concept of liberalism out of hand, try to open your mind a bit and see how it can actually empowers you as a Muslim and Islam generally.

  9. Anonny says:

    mohd,

    To suggest that I have formulated an opinion about religion, ethics and social conscience from one interview is stupid. You have written a stupid thing about me.

    Now why don’t you get your polluted mind away from sex, nudity, swinging and diseases – all of which _you_ have mentioned in your sick search for extreme examples and straw men arguments – nobody else.

    One more thing: just because the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula were in Jahiliya before Islam doesn’t mean that the rest of the world was in the same state. Other parts of the world already had good and comprehensive ethical systems in place. None of my ancestors ever buried their daughters alive. We didn’t need a prophet or you book to tell us that was wrong – we already knew.

    A lot of so-called Muslims here in the Khaleej do terrible things and then blame the devil, or cowsheds, or foreigners – anyone but themselves. It seems to me that Jahiliya has not been eradicated from the region at all – especially after reading what you have said here.

    • mahmood says:

      just because the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula were in Jahiliya before Islam

      I don’t agree with the term Jahiliya at all. How can an “Ignorant” society ever produce poetry, art and culture? Calling that era “Ignorant” only shows the culture people calling it as such hail from; at least in their own minds.

      If a definition were to be used, I would prefer a simple “before Islam” without denigrating the huge wealth of culture and science already produced then.

  10. Anonny says:

    It was not my choice of word, Mahmood. I was only throwing Mohd’s words back at him. The accusation (which is what it is)of Jahiliya came from an identified source. The blanket assumption of a widespread era of ignorance came from the same source, not come from me. I just put a context upon it, that’s all. If the shoe fits …

    If the shoe doesn’t fit, then all well and good. Reasonable people can continue discourse. And others can learn to take what they dish out.

    • mahmood says:

      No no, I wasn’t pointing the finger at you. I’m sorry if it appeared to be like that. I was actually pointing out my frustration of the tendency to completely eradicate everything that has come before Islam as unworthy.

      We’ve seen this repeated in our own parliament when Adel Al-Moawdah labeled the Burial Mounds as unworthy of saving “as they were kuffar”!

  11. mohd says:

    Given that we believe in something called ethics, why do they differ from place to another ? who controls them ? who say something is right and other is wrong ? and is there anything called “wrong” ? according to Dr Ibtihal the country should have civil laws only and the people watch the ethics. great , then “all the stupid things” are allowed since people demand more freedom or it will be a dictatorship !

    People may know what is right and wrong, but do they always say it ? and if they say, do they always speak the truth? ( again let’s see the whole picture).

    Civilization is not only the ability to produce poetry, art and culture. Where are the human rights ?

    Talking about the crime rates , I would suggest to google the top countries for crime rate and compare and see which of their people sleep safe and which people sleep with their guns under their beds.

    Anonny, here are some other parts of the world
    Gender has been an important principle of stratification throughout Japanese history
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Japan
    look for China also.

    A concept/religion/theory can allow people to do wrong things and can justify them , while others will say this is wrong clear, and we have the choice to select.

    We don’t need to discount any concept , but again we don’t want to clap high for a concept and after a while we figure that it is not the real change we were waiting for.

    Thank you for this nice discussion 🙂

  12. mahmood says:

    We don’t need to discount any concept , but again we don’t want to clap high for a concept and after a while we figure that it is not the real change we were waiting for.

    So what exactly are you waiting for?

  13. mohd says:

    True understanding of what we and others have. Sharing the good values and respecting the differences. Justice , trust , smile and love ( maybe more 🙂

    Have a nice weekend 🙂

  14. Joker says:

    During the “Jahiliya” era, this region was an ample cross-current of theologies (Judaism, christianity, peagan, etc.) Tribes had a primitive form of voting and debate, and women’s opinions were heard (al khansa, hind bint utbah, etc.)

    One can’t help but wonder which one is the real “Jahiliya.”

    • Robok says:

      Eh, I’m sorry if this is coming off as harsh, but I thought you guys were supposed to be the educated ones?

      It wasn’t called “Jahiliya” because it didn’t have “Islam”, or because everyone was ignorant, it was because of the way things worked back then, the violence, the bloodshed over the most insignificant things. We’re talking about 400 years of war because one person in a tribe accidentally killed the sheep of someone else in another tribe as I’m sure you all know the story, _that_ is why it’s called “Jahilia”, not the lack of Islam.

      Secondly, I don’t get the deal with secularism, I mean, sure the concept sounds great, you want to separate religion from the state and supposedly adopt a neutral stance when dealing with religion, but does that really work? I mean, do people really want that? Especially in a country with the majority being Muslims? You have to remember that your idea of freedom is someone else’s of publicly bashing you on TV, or spreading rumours about your personal life.

      If you’re worried about people abusing the current system of religion being integrated into our lives, you might want to give it more thought of how will “Freedom of Speech” start off more fires than we can put out. Simply put, as a society, there will always be loopholes for people to exploit (US judicial system, yay I can get 5 million because my suit didn’t come back from the laundry place!).

      Point I’m making here, just because you have history with say, Islamic governments being control-freaks and ruining everyone’s lives doesn’t mean the concept is wrong, it means the people applying it are crooked. If you did some research into the Islamic judicial system other than what you saw or heard about, you’ll find it allows you to even drink Alcohol as long as you do it in your private space and your religion(or lack thereof) allows it.

  15. TrueBahraini says:

    The more people that turn up like her, the more I support the religious extreme.

  16. muhamadness says:

    I have to agree with the doctor. Religion does not make people behave it only makes them pretend they do. And Dr. Al-Khatib is a sexy godess, she can’t be wrong.

  17. Anonny says:

    “Point I’m making here, just because you have history with say, Islamic governments being control-freaks and ruining everyone’s lives doesn’t mean the concept is wrong, it means the people applying it are crooked. If you did some research into the Islamic judicial system other than what you saw or heard about, you’ll find it allows you to even drink Alcohol as long as you do it in your private space and your religion(or lack thereof) allows it.”

    Yes, but this is the sort of thing that’s easy to say to a bunch of liberals like us. Try saying your above paragraph – literally – in a local mosque. How do you think it will go down?

  18. Amazing woman. Full support to her cause. I see a bright future for Kuwait for having such intellectuals. People know that freedom is not a cup one could drink from as many or as little as one wants. Freedom is a never ending sea. True freedom seekers believe in freedom for every human being regardless of their faith, their sexual orientation, their gender or their race.

    Kuwaiti religious conservatives walk around with pride telling people from other neighboring countries that their country managed to combine freedom of speech- regardless of how free it actually is- and Kuwaiti conservative values. Yet they are keen on combating the likes of Mrs.Khatib.

    E7medo allah 3andkum mithlaha.
    The interviewer was impotent and like a child he kept on repeating himself even when the answer was given more than once.
    He used the exact same questions that were asked in the LBC’s program ‘Bidoon Raqeeb’ . ya3aini 3al creativity. He kept on using words like “tuhajimeen” that have such a negative connotation. Now if I disagree with someone does that mean I am attacking them ? of course not. Lu3’at al 7ewar fel 3alam al3arabi wa bil a5a9 al 5aleeji in3adamat. She is more educated than those who attack her who fail to register grammatically correct sentences in Arabic.

    Spaniards read twice as many books per year than the Arab world combined. What does this say about us Arabs ? We hold tight to our fake and corrupt morals thinking that the more we are misunderstood by the rest of the world the more special or close to god we are.

    I do have to disagree with her when she said she was against people migrating to other countries. Lil assaf , some of us don’t have a choice. I come from Saudi which will never see the light of logic in my life time. A morally bankrupt country with no shame.

    To all of those who oppose to gay marriage (civil partnership ) I say do not attend the ceremony. Those who call others koffar, I say who are you mshan tukaffir 3’airak ? a mere mortal with flesh and bones. I don’t see you walking around with Mose’s stick. Ma adri , al3ain bil 3ain 7atta ni9eer kelna 3omee ? ithba7 hatha wasjin hatha ? 3ala ay asas ?
    Fa9l el deen 3an il dawlah howa il 7all il wa7eed if not , Arab nations will suffer the same fate that France did during the revolution. We will have something greater than the reign of terror.

    I like your blog sir. Keep up the fight for human rights. Equality for all.

  19. Dr. Ahmed says:

    The Oprah show invited a Muslim family on the same day she called Dr. Ibtihal to talk about her new project of liberating Muslims from their beliefs system which she believed to have imprisoned them for over fourteen centuries. Although the parents of that family were born in the Middle East their three children were born and brought up in the States. The family had two daughters, nineteen and sixteen, and a son, twenty-one years old. The two daughters were dressed up in tight mini-skirts that exposed their thighs and hips and short T-shirts that revealed most of their upper bodies. The son was attired with tight jeans and T-shirt. Nevertheless, the mother was covered with a huge Islamic hijab that hid everything about her except half of her round face. The father wore a dress suit that made him look as if he was not the husband of that woman. In short, the father and his three children dressed up in a way to refute the new theory of Dr. Ibtihal that Muslims would remain the same no matter how long they lived in the West. The young girls were meant to show that Muslim women were not oppressed as Dr. Ibtihal claimed in her speeches. However, the mother of those pretty young girls sat between her daughters as if some one had drawn a picture at the time of the prophet Muhammad and some how inserted by mistake two jetfighters on either side of a warrior on a horseback with a sword in his hand. Although the mother spent over twenty years in the States, she was not yet Americanized. It seemed that she was stuck in her Middle East Islamic culture forever.

    Oprah Winfrey, with her charming face and commanding personality introduced Dr. Ibtihal and welcomed her to the show. She also welcomed the Muslim family. Then, she requested Dr. Ibtihal to explain to her audience her new proposal of liberating Muslims from their beliefs. Dr. Ibtihal spoke briefly about her new movement. As soon as she finished, Oprah began to talk to her about the acceptability and practicability of her Muslims’ Liberation Movement (MLM).

    “First of all” said Oprah, “I am glad that you accepted the invitation to come and speak on my show about your Muslims’ Liberation Movement. I always appreciate a strong woman like you who could fight against the injustice and persecution of her society and still could stand with her head high. I know you have gone through a lot before you reached this height. Nevertheless, I talked to so many Muslim families about your project but all of them disagreed with you and considered your proposal as an attack on their religion. Those families said that you don’t understand the pure message of Islam. According to them Islam is the religion of peace and tolerance. They also said that all the hadiths you used in your speeches and writings are not authentic sayings of the prophet of Islam. They were invented by some Jewish scribes and injected into the traditional books of Islam in order to distort the religion. Moreover, they said the verses of the Qur’an you quoted in your writings and speeches were misquoted and used individually without showing the verses that were revealed before and after them. That means the Qur’anic verses should be understood as a whole and not individually. Can you dear, respond to these criticisms?”

    “In the beginning once again I would like to thank Oprah for giving me such an honorable opportunity of speaking on one of the most popular and watched shows in the world. My new proposal is meant to solve one of the most chronic problems in our world today. Religious terrorism has become a never-ending problem in our time. This problem in my opinion cannot be solved through military combat or political or religious debates. It is next to impossible to finish off all terrorists in the world. War on terror would only increase the number of terrorists. Religious terrorists would not likely sit down and debate intellectually or negotiate politically with people they had already labeled as unbelievers and enemies and who deserved to be killed. The only possible solution for religious terrorism is to expose its causes and uproot them. I believe the only solution is to liberate Muslims from religious beliefs that justify crimes against humanity.

    Having said that I would like to respond to the criticisms of those Muslim families you talked to. First of all, I have never quoted in my speeches and writings any hadith of the prophet Muhammad that was not authentic and approved by Muslim scholars. Secondly, every Muslim scholar understands that there are verses of the Qur’an that are abrogated or their legal power nullified. ‘Ali Ibn Abi Talib, the fourth caliph and the husband of the prophet’s daughter, said no one can interpret the Qur’an without knowing the abrogator and the abrogated verses. I would like to quote a famous verse known as the Verse of the Sword,

    ‘But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful’ (Al-Touba 9: 5).

    According to the Muslim scholar Ibn Al-Arabi, “everything in the Qur’an which speaks about forgiveness for unbelievers and avoiding killing them have been abrogated by the verse of the sword… this verse has abrogated a hundred and twenty-four verses.” It is a well known fact among all scholars that while the prophet Muhammad was in Makka he taught freedom of faith. However, after he immigrated from Makka to Medina, and after the Great Battle of Badr and the changing from the state of weakness to the state of power, came the Nasikh verses to abrogate the freedom of faith and command Muslims to fight and kill non-Muslims”.

    The prophet Muhammad openly admitted that God had sent him to convert people to Islam by the sword and terrorize those who refused his message and confiscate their wealth, properties, women, children, and slaves. I can quote some of the prophet’s hadiths to support my words. The prophet Muhammad said, “I have been granted victory through terrorism and the booties of my enemies are permissible to me.” Again, he said, “I have been sent with the Sword between my hands so that no one should be worshipped except Allah.” He also said, “My living is under the tip of my Spear.” There is a well-known hadith of the prophet, which is found in one hundred and thirteen Islamic books. This hadith could also be found in Sahih Muslim and Sahih Al-Bukhari, the prophet said in this hadith, “I have commanded to fight people until they bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. If they say it they uphold from me their wealth and bloods.” In this hadith, the prophet said clearly that if any one refuses to accept him as a messenger of Allah then he has the right to kill him and possess his wealth.

    The Qur’an also supports the words of the prophet Muhammad that God sent him to terrorize those who reject his message. I will mention a few verses to prove my claim:

    ‘And those of the People of the Book who aided them – Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners’ (Qur’an al-Ahzab 33: 26).

    ‘Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrongdoers!’ (Qur’an Ali-Umran 3: 151).

    ‘The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;’ (Qur’an al-Maidah 5: 34).

    Commenting on some verses of the Qur’an which teach violence (Sorah al-Baqarah 2: 191, 193, al-Nisa 4: 76, 89, 91, al-Touba 9: 5, 12, 14, 29, and al-Anfaal 8: 39) the Egyptian scholar Khalil Abdul-Karim says,

    These verses carry serious orders of killing the tribes that refuse to believe in the faith that is preached by Muhammad…And from the other side there are hadiths issued by the Prophet that confirm this meaning very clearly by which we mean killing any one who refuses Islam. The Prophet Muhammad said, ‘I have been commanded to fight the people until they bear witness that there is no God except Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, if they say it they uphold from me their wealth and bloods.’ The meaning of noncompliance is that any one refuses to witness or utter the two Shihadah ‘I bear witness that there is no God, but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah,’ there would be no protection for his wealth, women, children, and blood … Accordingly killing the one who refuses to utter the two Shihadah is an obligation to every Muslim without exception… The message of Muhammad to all the tribes is ‘accept Islam and you will be safe’… Any tribe or an individual refuses this offer would expose themselves/himself to physical annihilation and theirs/his wealth, women, children, and slave-girls would be taken by the Muslims (Abdul-Karim 1999: 42-44).

    No Muslim scholar can deny that Islam is to be spread by the use of the military force. Only those Muslims who practice the law of Taqiyya hide this fact. Taqiyya was a teaching of the prophet Muhammad that permitted Muslims to lie to non-Muslims. According to Warner Mackenzie the word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralizing any criticism of Islam or Muslims. Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur’an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”.

    There are three types of Muslims in the world. The first is the one who understands the teachings of the prophet and the Qur’an. This type of Muslim hates every one that is not Muslim like him and looks for opportunity to spread his religion by all means available to him. This type of Muslim divides the world into Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Hareb. In other words, the world for him is divided into the countries of Islam and the countries of the enemies or place of war.

    The second type of Muslim knows the teachings of the Qur’an and the prophet Muhammad but he doesn’t want to practice them. This type of Muslim practices Taqiyya when he lives in Dar al-Hareb. The third type of Muslim is confused and doesn’t know the difference between the abrogated verses and the abrogators. The first type can easily change this third type of Muslim into a terrorist. Unfortunately, the third type forms 90% of the Muslim population in the world. Islam discourages its followers from trying to understand the Qur’an by themselves. Muslims always look for a preacher and Mufti to explain to them what they are supposed to do and not to do. They never look into their Qur’an for learning but they just recite its verses out of religious duties and obligations. In my opinion those Muslim families you talked to are either the second or third type of Muslims”.

    “Okay Dr. Ibtihal” interrupted Oprah, “I have here in the studio a Muslim family and I would like you to talk to them about your MLM movement and see what their opinions are about it. Here is Mr. Salih, his wife Sakina, his two daughters Rasha and Shadia, and his son Ahmed. First let us hear what they are going to say about your MLM”.

    “Well in our culture the man of the family speaks first” said Mr. Salih angrily, “First of all, I don’t think this woman understands Islam at all. Secondly, she claims that she is going to liberate Muslims from their faith but herself doesn’t get liberated from her religious bigotry. The religion of Islam is the religion of adaptation. Wherever Muslims went they adapted the culture of that place. Look at my family now. If we are living in the Middle East, we dress and behave like the people of that culture. I gave my two daughters the choice to dress up like the Arabs or like the Americans. They chose to dress up like the Americans and they are free to do so. However, my wife refused to change her cultural dress and she is free to do so too. Thirdly, Islam never forces people to accept it”.

    “Well,” said Dr. Ibtihal smiling at the family members of Mr. Salih, “the Shari’a law never gives you the choice to decide what you dress like. It prescribes a religious dress code for women. Every woman who refuses to comply to that dress code would be flogged. You said Islam never forced people to accept it but you did not explain to us what the Muslim Mujahedeen did with their horses and swords when they invaded the surrounding countries. I don’t think any person today can claim that Islamic invasions, which are known as Al-Fotohaat Al-Islamiyya, were done peacefully without the using of the sword”.

    “But those invasions were divinely ordered by Allah” shouted Mr. Salih.

    “Wait a minute,” said Oprah, “you just said Islam did not force people to accept it and now you are telling us that your Allah ordered Muslim fighters to go and invade other countries”.

    “I didn’t say that,” shouted Mr. Salih angrily, “Muslim Mujahedeen went to spread Islam peacefully into those countries. However, any person who carried a sword and tried to stop them from entering his country to spread Islam was supposed to be killed. The Mujahedeen did not kill any one just for the sake of killing him and looting his wealth and enslave his women and children as this woman always teaches. Any one who tried to stop the light of truth from being spread Allah gave the right to his Mujahedeen to kill him and inherit his wealth and women and children”.

    “In fact you are supporting the point of Dr. Ibtihal and not refuting it. You are agreeing that if any one refuses to allow Muslim fighters to invade his country and spread their religious beliefs was supposed to be killed because that was the commandment of Allah. That is exactly what the prophet Muhammad said “I have commanded to fight people until they bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. If they say it they uphold from me their wealth and bloods.” In these words the prophet said clearly that if any one refuses to accept him as a messenger of Allah then he has the right to kill him and possess his wealth”.

    Dr. Ibtihal was shocked when she heard Oprah quoting her words exactly as if she was reading from a paper. However, Mr. Salih misunderstood the photographic memory of Oprah and thought there was a kind of hidden conspiracy between the two genius women.

    “What did the American marines do to the Iraqi soldiers who tried to stop them from invading Iraq? How many millions of Iraqi people did the American soldiers kill? One Iraqi girl was raped by seven American soldiers.”

    “Wait a minute Mr. Salih. We are not talking politics. The American marines did not go to Iraq to spread a religion and please remember not every American is supporting that occupation although it was meant to stop a dictator from building and possessing nuclear weapons. We are trying to know whether Islam allows its followers to use military force to spread it. Dr. Ibtihal presented strong arguments against Islam and proposed a new project known as Muslims’ Liberation Movement. If you don’t agree with her try to refute her case.”

    “Can I say something,” said Mrs. Salih.

    “Yes please tell us what you think about the MLM’s project?”

    “The only thing I want to say is that this woman is an apostate and unbeliever and she is supposed to be killed. If she was in a Muslim country, her people would stone her to death before they took her to court.”

    “So you agree with the law of apostasy in Islam. No Muslim is allowed to forsake Islam and remain alive?”

    “This is the law of our religion no one can change it”.

    “Okay let us hear what your daughters and son say about the MLM movement”.

    “I don’t like this movement,” said Shadia, “this woman has no right to tell us your religion is bad and you have to leave it. We are free to follow any religion. What will Christians think if a Muslim woman tells them your religion is wrong and you have to change or otherwise the world will force you to change?”

    “I haven’t said the world has to force Muslims to leave their religion. Moreover, I have not said the religion of Islam is wrong. I have said that some teachings of the Qur’an and the hadiths are dangerous to humanity. Muslims and non-Muslims both are facing this danger today. I have proposed that Muslims need help and my MLM is meant to help them realize the danger they are facing”.

    “But who are you to tell us that? Are you a new prophet?” shouted Ahmed.

    “I am not a new prophet. No Muslim can survive if he claims to be a new prophet in Islam. Muhammad had shut the door for such a possibility forever when he claimed to be the seal and final prophet. However, I have the Spirit of God in me. He inspires and guides me to do something better to Muslims than what the prophet Muhammad did to them”.

    “You are a liar and accursed woman,” shouted Mr. Salih, “the shoe of our prophet Muhammad is better than you. You have the devil in you…”

    “No please,” shouted Oprah, “I have not brought you here to fight with my speaking guest. You have the right to disagree with her but you have no right to insult her. You can be charged for calling names in public to someone that has not insulted you. I am so sorry Dr. Ibtihal and please don’t take it personally. Before we end this show I would like you to say a few words to our audience”.

    “Never mind what Mr. Salih has said to me. I would not charge him of verbal assault. I forgive him. I am used to this kind of reaction. However, I wish Mr. Salih and his family would give serious thought to my proposal before they condemn it as the work of Satan. At the end, I would like to thank Oprah and her show for giving me the first platform to speak about my MLM. I also would like to encourage Muslims all over the world to read my writings and listen to my speeches. To non-Muslims I would like to invite them to join my liberation movement and participate in freeing over a billion human prisoners from the dangerous teachings of the Qur’an and the prophet Muhammad”.

    Chapter 163 from my book, “Ibtihal and Muslims’ Liberation Movement”. Click on this link to view the book. http://www.publishamerica.net/product56703.html

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    Diana Stone wrote again, “Folks, I’m reading this book. It’s a wonderfully written and very informative book, written in a novel format, about Islam. It is a scholarly work of almost 700 pages. If you want to learn more about this religion and read it in an interesting format, this is the book. And know, I am not getting paid for advertising!”.

    Deatra 08/21/10 “In my search for knowledge of Islam and Shari’a Law this book was recommended to me. I am over half way finished with it and in my opinion is a very easy to read and understand comprehension of Islam and the laws. I strongly recommend it to anyone and everyone.

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