Yes, the conversation of the minute is the deluge of cables sent back from most if not all American diplomatic missions around the world to their mothership, the State Department, who seems interested in every little detail which could be elicited by whatever means possible about political actors. This is a legitimate exercise and has been so from time immemorial. Having them published, however, is not. Spies are employed the world over at great cost to intercept those communiqués for their paymasters in order for them have a glimpse into the minds of nations, and hope through that, gain some kind of leverage against them, should that be necessary. With cablegate, the Americans have now become more exposed, somewhat benignly when all is considered, but there is no guarantee that what remains in Julian Assange’s copious inbox will allow the situation to remain as such.
To me, and staying on the micro level of the Arabian Gulf, the depth of hatred and suspicion shown by the Gulf’s political leaders is not shocking in itself, for us locals, we have known this for millennia, what is shocking; however, is the resolute trust given to American officials by sharing with them their unadulterated thoughts and the seemingly greater trust that those very thoughts will be cherished, encapsulated and be read by only the anointed higher echelons of those in the American administration which was evidenced by the apparent comfort at which those thoughts were delivered. Had they known that two and a half million pairs of eyes within that sphere will have access to them, some of whom are as young as twenty-two while some are possibly even younger, I wonder if they would have tempered them somewhat. From reading the various cables, I doubt that. They, it seems, continue to naively fly into the direction of the light and be absorbed by it. I’m not sure if its the thoughts of redemption and salvation which spurs them on in that direction, or the genuine belief that America will unerringly contribute to their reigns’ longevity.
Disappointment. Elation. Anger. Disbelief. Denial. Are all feelings I have observed from people around me since the leaks have sprung. Each either shoring up their self-built and maintained image of the region’s rulers and others displayed happiness that what they have suspected for years have finally been vindicated through the direct and underlying content of those telegrams.
To me, looking through available cables emanating from Bahrain so far, I am left somewhat peeved, but understanding of what our leaders have echoed: Iran’s nuclear threat is real and destabelising. However, I continue to be nagged by what I believe those leaks have also exposed: are the leaders thoughts only concerned with the security impact of having a nuclear capable Iran on the people of their countries, or are they more concerned that the perceived explosion of Shi’a influence such a state can bring will detonate their thrones?
In all the cases, I suggest that while the current Iran and its nuclear capability most certainly pose a threat to global security and it must be politically dealt with, the real thing which seems to readily escape the Arab leaders is that their security and longevity of rule lies not in that, but in the empowerment of their own countrymen. Should they wish to solidify their rule and continue in their thrones, it is incumbent upon them alone to allow their countrymen to be real citizens enjoying global values of rights and responsibilities, and hold those in power – all of them – responsible and accountable to their citizens. This will work, but knowing how things are here, will most probably not happen.
Not with the current crop anyway.
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But it’s an eye-opener nevertheless; now we know that a contingent from our army is deployed in Afghanistan and that we are investing millions of dollars in there to help the American occupation there.
so one could ask, what’s it for us there to invest those millions while our people are in need.
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All of us around the world should be asking that question.
C’mon readers, is any of this a surprise.
The real question is: while we look at the Big Wikileaks Story (in the same way that we gawped, open-mouthed, at the non-story of the Thrown Shoe), what is really happening that we _should_ be looking at?
I think its just the beginning… We’ll see what pops up in the future…
What I note is the same Arab regimes which revile America and work against it, also demand we save their asses. Saudi Arabia pays the salaries of Taliban to kill Americans in Afghanistan, funds Islamic terror to butcher Americans at home, and covertly propagandizes against America around the world but then demands we attack Iran to save them. I wonder which is better, an honest enemy or a dishonest enemy posing as a friend?
The last time we saved Saudi Arabia, they repaid us with Sep 11. When I look at the situation with a cold eye, I wonder what’s so bad about Iran winning? The Arab nations will always hate America and seek to do us evil because their culture and religion foster hate against the Other and particularly a non-Islamic hyperpower like the USA. Why should we support them?
Of course, the Iranian government is no different but the Iranian people seem to be more cosmopolitan and accepting of America. In short, they don’t hate us. I keenly note that Persians were the only Muslims to demonstrate in support of America after Sep 11 while Arab Muslims danced in the streets with glee. Why should we save Arab Muslims who want us dead and are constantly plotting to creep into our home to do so? Arab Muslims want to kill American women and children. Persians don’t. They are a more humane people with a more advanced culture.
If the Iranian government is stripped from the Persians, then there is a chance of a government with which we can work. The Persians like their government less than we do. The trajectory of the Persians is toward a more moderate government while the trajectory of all the Arab states is toward more radical government. Who should we support?
I’ve seen many Arab Sunnis who have tried to kill Americans at home. I haven’t seen any Persian Shiites do so. While that kind of hate is mainstream in Arab culture it isn’t in Persian culture.
America should sit back, not be driven by short term concerns, and look at the long term before it commits itself. In the very long term, the Arabs will always hate us and seek to do us evil, while there is a chance of having a normal relationship with the Persians.
Maybe we should let the Persians win. Maybe we should let the Arabs and Persians fight it out. Or maybe we should support the Arabs. We should examine all the options before we do anything. But doing anything to save the Saudis is repugnant.
Or maybe you need to respect the Arabs and stop your racist comments about them and about their religion and culture?!
Mahmood:
Steve said: “The Arab nations will always hate America and seek to do us evil because their culture and religion foster hate against the Other”
Do you really need to be tolerant with such a blatant racism on your website!
This guy flew his fighter jet few times over our countries to kill innocent Arabs in Iraq and Muslims in Afghanistan and now he think he is an expect in Arab culture and religion.
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With due respect, he has the full right to say whatever he likes. If you don’t agree with what he or anyone else says, then engaging them with logic and facts will win the argument. Blocking or banning someone for something that you simply find unacceptable is unacceptable!
Sorry, but I’m with Steve on this one.
Mahmoodski: “Sorry, but I’m with Steve on this one.”
Smelling salts! Somebody get me the smelling salts! I feel faint!
Mahmoodski: “With due respect, he has the full right to say whatever he likes. If you don’t agree with what he or anyone else says, then engaging them with logic and facts will win the argument. Blocking or banning someone for something that you simply find unacceptable is unacceptable!”
A fine and noble stand on free speech with the added virtue of being perfectly true. However, the flip side of this is that Mahmood knows he can’t get rid of me, either. If he bans me, I’ll crawl back in the cellar window like a cockroach. Mahmood is obviously throwing his hands up in resignation here.
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Och, I’m just getting mellower in my old age!
Anon: “Or maybe you need to respect the Arabs and stop your racist comments about them and about their religion and culture?!”
We respected the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, carefully tolerating their culture, treating them as privileged business partners in the oil business we created for them, and lifted them up from abject poverty to stupendous wealth. Where did that get us? The Saudis hate us because we are not Muslim, preach hate against America in every venue – media, government, & mosque – and send terrorists to kill us.
The problem with respecting Arab Muslims is that it is not reciprocated.
Anon: “This guy flew his fighter jet few times over our countries to kill innocent Arabs in Iraq and Muslims in Afghanistan and now he think he is an expect in Arab culture and religion.”
Sorry to inform you that I only flew fighters over America, Europe, and Far East Asia. The only jets I’ve flown over Arab land have been Alitalia and Egypt Air. Nor have I killed any Muslims anywhere, innocent or guilty. The only things I’ve killed while in the militay have been margueritas at the Officer’s Club.
However, Sep 11 and the train of events that followed have made most Americans experts in the core goals of Arab culture and religion.
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I agree with what you said generally Steve (yes, rare I know!) but allow me to completely agree with you on the first part of the sentence above, and differ with you on your categorisation of perpetual hatred you think will be levied by Arabs against the Americans.
First, consider this, the “Arabs” are different people from 22 countries, and although the Arabic language generally unites them, there is much which push us apart; from local culture and tradition through to economics, so generalising that ALL the Arabs hate and will continue to hate America and Americans is vastly incorrect and is an over-exageration.
What I would strongly encourage America to evaluate as part of its long-term vision is that it should resolutely support human rights and political reform in these countries. You will be surprised that with that act – which George Bush Jr started before 9/11 – the countries, governments and people actually started to change for the better. Unfortunately (and understandably in hindsight) that has reversed since then.
Mahmood, I take your point that every single Arab in the world is not an enemy of America and that some are quite lovely people. I see those as a minority. The vector of the majority is toward greater radicalization.
I’m hard pressed to find an American who wants to deny Arabs individual rights or stifle political reform in the Middle East. However, the Arabs have to want it, too. Most don’t. Individual rights is a boutique concern of educated and liberal Arabs, a minority. Political reform for most Arabs means establishing an Islamist government.
In Egypt, the most liberal of Arab countries, those groups working for democracy refuse American aid because it would taint them. It’s the typical dysfunctional Arab behavior: We demand your help, you infidel bastards, and we reject your help, you infidel bastards. Most Americans think the Arabs are too screwed in the head to help.
your comments reflect the opinions of those americans who are arrogant in their ignorance. i don’t know where you’re writing from but if you’re in the gulf to save us, i suggest you go home.
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Sorry, was you talking to me?
No, I was talking to Steve. I know where YOUR home is! And I hope you agree with his right to free speech and not his views.
Mahmood: “Sorry, was you talking to me?”
Everyone knows I’m the Arrogant American here, Mahmood, and probably an imperialist oppressor to boot. Please step back off my turf. You’re crowding me a little.
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Duly noted, sorry! 🙂
I am home in America, where all the Arab Muslims come to escape the mess they’ve made of their countries and where they want to recreate that same mess here.
If you want an example of arrogance, take a hard look in the mirror. Arab Muslims have made contempt of all other races, religions, and ethnicities the cornerstone of their culture. That’s why the whole world is turning against you, why you are not welcome anywhere, why people abroad loathe the sight of Arab Muslims in their streets. You are seen as a negative where ever you go.
“When I look at the situation with a cold eye, I wonder what’s so bad about Iran winning?”
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahaha!
Only now are you wondering? How many years has it taken for your eyes to cool down Steve? You mean you really don’t know who has the most to fear from Iran? After all this time? Oy vay!
America and Iran have been trading for years. They have been talking for years. There’s a lot of Iranian regime money – well, Bonyad and Bazaari money anyway – in the US and Canada. There is plenty of American money in Iran.
That said, the Iranians have a history of subtlety. The Mullahs got the Yew Ess to pay for Operation Ajax and get rid of Dr Soroush for them (check our Ford’s diaries). It’s the fact that their leadership _isn’t_ dominated by suicide-bombing fantasies that should give you pause. They are obdurate and the minority of “ipod” Iranians demonstrating for more personal freedoms have no real power to oppose the will of the rural and working-class Iranian masses.
But the West has hemmed Iran in with Sunni entities that have caused a lot of trouble, and has backed a regime that wants to see Iran severely weakened. And when it comes to religious issues they don’t back down as easily as any other entity. I don’t think we’ll be friends with them in the foreseeable future.
They have proportionately more women in their Majlis than we do in our Parliament and House of Representatives. They have proportionately less aristocrats in their power apparatus then we do. Their governmental forms have been refined by outside pressures into entities that are comparatively less vulnerable to outside interference than any other Muslim nation. They are formidable.
Do not think too harshly of the Saudis. Their extremism is often a result of cognitive dissonance. They are turning their frustrations into virtues. I believe a majority of Saudi people like American people when they come in contact with each other, even when the Saudis are afraid of them. The Saud government is not a homogenous entity when it comes to attitudes towards the Western nations. And don’t think that your own government of Al Capones is above using this dichotomy for their own ends.
My thoughts mirror Steve’s exactly on the point of Saudis demanding that Americans ‘save their asses’. The average American would be happy to throw the Saudis to the Persian wolves.
More to the point, the Saudis don’t lack for terrorist talent. Let them gather their own boys, equip them with passenger jets and then ram them into the appropriate Iranian government or military building.
xylo: “More to the point, the Saudis don’t lack for terrorist talent. Let them gather their own boys, equip them with passenger jets and then ram them into the appropriate Iranian government or military building.”
I’d pop popcorn to watch Saudi jihadis in a death match with Iranian Revolutionary Guards play out on CNN. OK, just kidding, I’d be watching it on Fox News. I’m guessing the Persians would win since the Saudis are so lazy and incompetent.
Xylo,
Apparently, the 911 hi-jackers were Saudi and Egyptian. Yet in retaliation Uncle Sam turn his Rolodex into a hit-list and bombs Iraq and the ‘stans. In such a scenario it would be appropriate for Saudis to attack those who are not out to get them instead of those who are. Displaced aggression is the way to go, it seems. Hell, if I get mugged by a stranger any time soon the prevailing wisdom will probably be for me to go and punch my neighbour or business partner! If that’s how Daddy Warbucks and Baba Oilbucks do it, why not the rest of us?
Annony;
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi.
The Saudis are the masters of displaced aggression, friend. If wikileaks is to be beleived, they are funding Al Queada terrorist plots all over the world. You just need to turn on the TV to hear of one plot or another discovered in an entire range of countries.
You are correct in that Uncle Sam should have left Iraq alone. The population was not worth saving. Saddam was a beast but his people weren’t much better. Iraq was and is a dysfunctional backwater full of horribly sectarian people.
xylo: “You are correct in that Uncle Sam should have left Iraq alone. The population was not worth saving. Saddam was a beast but his people weren’t much better. Iraq was and is a dysfunctional backwater full of horribly sectarian people.”
I’m really split on this. Would it have been better to contain Saddam or to remove him? We’ll never really know how much worse he would have gotten or perhaps his sons would have been.
Are the Iraqi people worth saving? I don’t know. The mass of them seem hell bent on making Iraq corrupt and violent. Comparing and contrasting the Kurds and Arabs of Iraq, the Kurds have made the best of this once in a lifetime opportunity to make themselves a country while the Arabs have done their best to squander a chance of a better life. Simply put, they’d rather hate than build.
But then I go to my local office supply store and there’s an Iraqi girl there named Zaynab whom I tease every time I go. She’s just a goofy, cute teenaged girl like a zillion other American girls. I think what a better life she has here than Iraq. She can go to college, be whatever she wants to be. She has a future. So maybe it’s good that we saved a few of them from themselves.
Anonny: “Apparently, the 911 hi-jackers were Saudi and Egyptian. Yet in retaliation Uncle Sam turn his Rolodex into a hit-list and bombs Iraq and the ‘stans.”
If you will recall, the 9/11 attacks were staged from Afghanistan, where the Afghans were hosting Al Qaeda.
If you will also remember, besides pursuing his war after surrendering and ignoring the dozen UN resolutions, Saddam fired hundreds of missiles at US aircraft, put bounties on the heads of US military, and attempted to assassinate the elder Bush.
Let me note the hypocrisy of forgetting the Arab hit lists formed from religious bigotry and megalomania.
Anonny: “In such a scenario it would be appropriate for Saudis to attack those who are not out to get them instead of those who are.”
The Saudis are already attacking everyone on the planet via their funding of terror to propagate Islam.
“Blocking or banning someone for something that you simply find unacceptable is unacceptable!”
Thanks for the reminder, Mahmood.
@anon Perhaps you should tattoo the above quote on your forearm? Then we could be sure that you read at least one useful thing in your time here with us on planet Earth.
Ok, I got it now. There are no limits for freedom of speech only when the speech is about Islam or Arab and their culture! But if anyone dared to say something about the Jews then it’s baaaaaad antsematisim!
How illiterate you can be to think that the wahabi school of thought which represents a minority even within Saudis, is “Arab culture and religion”
And who other than our friends in American supported the wahabis and kept them in power? You may read a little of history about this region to find facts about the lebral, leftist awacking in the 50s and the40s and how the american supported the wahabi extremists in Saudi to front them. You may also read about the war in Yemen (not the current one but the when in the 60s) or a little bit about Mosediq movement in Iran or zulfiqar Ali in Pakistan or the Mojahideen war in Afgnst with USSR and you will find that in each of these cases the American administrations have always used the religious fanatics to achieve their Evelyn goals.
Aren’t these enough reasons for Arab to hate American? If they are not I’m ready to list 1000 more reason starting with their invasion to Lebia in the 19th century, their invasion to Lebanon in 80s, their unlimited support for all Israeli aggressions against Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Jordan, Sudan (yes they attacked even Sudan though they don’t share borders with it) and finally their invasion to Iraq in 2003 and killing of 100 of thousands of innocent civilians (you may read a little about this on Wikileaks).
We all felt sorry for those who lost their lives in 9/11 but have you thought for once they were only few thousands and you could never forget or forgive while u are asking us to forget millions of us killed by you beloved solders
Anon;
The biggest killers of Arabs are other Arabs (and that also holds true for Iraq).
You ought to redirect your anger to your brethren.
Anon: “Ok, I got it now. There are no limits for freedom of speech only when the speech is about Islam or Arab and their culture! But if anyone dared to say something about the Jews then it’s baaaaaad antsematisim!”
That’s usually the case when Muslims are talking about the Jews, which comes across to Americans as mad-dog, unreasoning hate. For example, this Egyptian governor who is so stupid with hate that he claims Mossad is causing shark attacks in Egypt:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/07/egyptian-official-believes-israel-deadly-shark-attack/?test=latestnews
Now this is a high-ranking Egyptian government official, not some yokel who fell off a passing oxcart. When I read this I wonder if there is anything, anything too stupid for Muslims to believe as long as it stokes their mindless hate.
If your reply shows anything it shows how ignorant of Arabs you really are and I don’t blame you for that as most Americans are the same.
We don’t hate Jews, antisemitism is a product of western culture on the contrary Arabs and Muslims (to not forget the Turks) protected the Jews from the aggression of Europeans.
Do you know that Arabs have very famous Artists who are Jews and we love them and love their works (Artists like Layla Murad, Kuwaiti brothers, Alan Bulail … etc)… Just recently a Jewish Arab called Abraham Serfaty died, just google the name to find out how the Arabs loved this Jewish guy.
However, no matter what I say here it will not be enough to make you change your mind because you have been brain washed. Have you ever asked yourself why Arabs don’t hate Jews like noam chomsky or Jewish organizations like Neturei Karta)???
Saudi Arabia, USA and Al Qaeda…
Enemies today, and brothers in the past.. Just like the tragedic indian movies we used to watch!
And yet, I am still sceptical about the American’s intentions these days! Is really the republican party different from the Democratic one? Or is it like replacing Coca Cola for Pepsi?.. as they say, just a change in names, same intent and goals, but a different approach to things!
Why do I think this is the case? Well, why did VP Joe Byden from the current administration force and pressurize the Iraqi Govt. a few months ago to incorporate criminal ex-members of the Ba’ath party in the political process?
At the end, what’s the use of bringing down Saddam if the they wanted those Ba’ath party members back???
The Qaeda members were just puppets of the American Govt, since there was no longer any purpose of them, they Americans said, lets bring them all to Iraq and get rid of them, like ants on a candy bar! But things got out of hand.
In the past, we’ve seen David Rumsfield visiting Saddam in Iraq, and the US supported Saddam’s war against Iran, than Senior bush goes in to war with him! And history repeats itself in the opposite way, When the Iraqi regime was brought down, the US wants the Ba’ath party again!!!!!
Steve, I do agree with you about the two-face hypocrite arab regimes that we have around, and the irritating double standard arabs, but I think its not just Saudi’s hating americans, and begging them at the same time to hit Iran, its bigger than this! And I wonder whether the Govts. are really Govts. or is something else going on !
exclamation mark,
You’ve been doing drugs and watching too much Arab TV if you think America had anything to do with Al Qaeda. Saying so makes you a fool. However, that should not handicap you in Arab society where fools are king.
Why don’t you commit fully to your conspiracy theory and assert that Bush is actually Bin Laden. After all, their names start with the same letter and you never see them together. That alone should convince your buddies if they’re geniuses like you.
The US gave only trivial support to Saddam’s war against Iran in the form of satellite photography, but then we did the same for Iran. As Kissinger said, it’s a shame both couldn’t lose. But then, both did, didn’t they? You just might consider that had Iran kept the US as an ally, Iraq would never have felt bold enough to attack it, and a million Iranians and Iraqis would still be alive today, happy grandfathers at home instead of rotting in their graves.
The US isn’t installing the Baathists in power. However, just like with the Nazis, it’s probably impossible to keep a new government completely free of players from the old government. Just like with the Nazis, many of the Baathists were just opportunists or joined to get a job.
Steve,
You’ve just proven my point upto some extent! when things are to the american’s interests they would do it!!
American’s supported Saddam against Iran, and infact they did provide some support to Saddam against the Shiite uprise in Southern Iraq, and most of the Iraqis who lived through the “Al Intifada Al Sha’abaniya” know it, they do put part of the blame on the US, and all this in the same year of the first Gulf War!
They did support the Afghans (Mujahideen) against the USSR, in fact the Taliban (consisting of Arabs including Bin Laden) was a make of the Americans, Pakistanis and Saudis.
History is repeating itself again in Iraq, and Joe Byden pressurising the current Iraqi Govt. to accept the ex-Ba’ath party members is just a sign. And do not think that the Ba’ath party members do not want a come back, and thats what the Iraqi people are fearing of, which is why they refuse any Ba’ath member to be part of the Govt. in fact they have a law for that.
Its not just a matter of opportunists or people getting a job, some were criminals and murderers and your Govt. wants them back!
little poor assange got arrested today
lol
now, we should start leaking his arrest and trial details 😛
So much for the freedom of speech and democracy in the West. This gives us another example of how the freedom of speech is a one-way road in western political culture.
@anon Better than a totally blocked road, eh?
and who said we have totally blocked road here, we too can criticize other countries record on human rights and freedom of speech!
With VISA, MC, Paypal, Amazon and others joining the efforts of censorship it’s clear how hypocrite Western countries are.
In one of the cables released by Wikileaks, the a US official discusses human rights with Syrian president Asad, when he asked him “how about Saudi’s human rights record”??? and me also ask how about Israeli or even US human rights record for that matter. They only care about it when it is a country friendly to the US.
anon,
Yes, you can criticize the governments of other nations. Everybody can do that.
The difference between us is, can you criticize your own government’s human rights & freedom of speech policies?
I can criticize my own government openly. Can you?
I don’t claim that we have as much freedom as you do in the west, however what happened to Julian exposed the hypocrisy of your democracy. You only have a limited freedom of speech and when that freedom threatens the political elite it should be stopped immediately. There have been calls from prominent politicians to liquidate the guy for god sake, what kind of freedom of speech is that?!
Anon;
Mr Julian is the recipient of information he knows is stolen. This is a crime by the standards of most western countries.
Would you like your credit card information, bank account information, and other personal data publically exposed by someone who claims he’s doing it the same of ‘free speech’? Others who have stolen and distributed such information also ended up in prison. Julian is no different.
Why do the Jews who control American government and immigration policies allow so many Muslims into America over the last twenty plus years? And how can us goyim get rid of the international banking shysters in America.Lincoln via the greenbacks and Kennedy via the silver certificates were both assassinated for trying.The Bank of North Dakota was established in 1919 as a state owned banking system specifically to free farmers and small businessmen from the clutches of out of state bankers(Jews) and railroad men.The state has been punished politically over the years by the Jew controlled government.
Not only do Jews control banks, but they also control sharks!
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What a bigot!
Mahmood,
I totally agree, it’s blatant bigotry but why didn’t you address “Steve the American†the same way though showed even worst Bigotry?!
You seem to understand when your own culture is attacked and only react when somebody slams western cultures. One should appose and hate bigotry wither it was against Jews, Arabs, Indian or any other religion or race.
The Jews are the Kings of the LOAN sharks charging up to 25% per annum interest on our credit cards.
Why is it when someone speaks the truth they are labeled bigots?
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Because:
1. You’re generalising, and
2. You’re not offering any substantiated arguments.
Is this Mahmood or Babu, the Pakistani restauranteer from the Seinfeld episodes?Did you read THE SECRET RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BLACKS AND JEWS VOL I AND II by your fellow brotheren the Nation of Islam. These are well documented books using Jewish sources.Jews quote from these books but still frown on their veracity.
From the WEB OF DEBT by Ellen Hodgson Brown: Before the usurious practices of the Jew,a labourer in the Middle Ages of Europe ,could provide all the necessities for his family for a year by working 14 weeks.The rest of the year,some men worked for themselves,some studied,some fished.Every labouring man was clothed in good woolen cloth and had plenty of meat and bread.Money was available for inventions and art.
With the usurious practices of the Jews,
early industrialized America had the people and their children working 12 hour days in sweat shops year round in the North while the black slaves were toiling in the sugar,cotton, and tobacco fields of the South.
Today,every service or goods we buy includes 30 to 50% interest.Who does this interest go to? Zionists bankers of course.
Thanks to the progressive income tax created by the Jews, Americans have to work the first five months of the year just to pay all the taxes.Add all the energy costs to the equation,and 95% of the world are slaves to the system.Free energy devices kept from us would alleviate this mess.