According to the BBC, two Bahrainis have been identified amongst the dead in Amman, Jordan.
Fuck you Zarqawi and the wahabi pigs who support you, do your worst, we’re not afraid.
My deep condolences to the families and friends of all the deceased and injured in this atrocity.
update 12 Nov 2005
Relatives and family yesterday bid final farewell to 24-year-old Bahraini Hamad Janahi who was among 57 people killed when suicide bombers attacked hotels in Jordan. He was buried at Riffa cemetary.source: GDN
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Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
Have you checked on those Bahraini Al Qaeda guys home from Gitmo lately? Now might be a good time to make sure where they are, that they haven’t departed recently on a sudden trip to Amman. Just to make sure.
For all those Bahraini folks who are convinced that their Bahraini countrymen were held in Gitmo were completely innocent, I have a way for you to demonstrate your true convictions. Hold your next wedding in a big American hotel, like the Manama Hilton. Invite all your family. Then invite the Gitmo boys.
Allow me to note that the Jordanians found Zarqawi a pretty popular figure when he was bombing Iraqi citizens. The suicide bombers he dispatched were hailed in Jordan as martyrs. It wasn’t until Zarqawi started killing Jordanians that Jordanians turned on him. It appears they have discovered this week, to their surprise, that Zarqawi is a murderer who kills innocent people.
This confirms my argument that jihad is popular until it is fought on the doorsteps of the Muslims applauding it. To end the jihad, this lesson must be applied to Saudi Arabia, the origin of all this evil jihadi terror.
Steve
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
[quote]Allow me to note that the Jordanians found Zarqawi a pretty popular figure when he was bombing Iraqi citizens. The suicide bombers he dispatched were hailed in Jordan as martyrs. It wasn’t until Zarqawi started killing Jordanians that Jordanians turned on him. It appears they have discovered this week, to their surprise, that Zarqawi is a murderer who kills innocent people. [/quote]
perfect i cant say no more !
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Really, Steve?
If I remember correctly, several suicide bombs went off in Saudi Arabia. Some as far back as 1979. Yet they don’t seem to care. And you STILL can’t get over your Burn Saudi Arabia agenda.
In fact, as to your wedding suggestion. Your friends the Al Saud are well ahead of you. They’ve just announced that they will pick up the tab to have their five released from Gitmo married off, in addition to a monthly stipend. Any more bright ideas from the Texas Wahhabi?
And no Bahraini declared the Gitmo boys innocent. You did, yes, America declared them innocent by refusing to file charges or to try them for anything. So as far as I am concerned, you can stuff it.
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The Saudis did not care too much about violence in Saudi Arabia until Saudis started getting killed. Until then, they blamed the bombings on the Western victims, sentencing them to death for bombing themselves. Back then, the Saudis said there was no Al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia. It was all Western bootleggers bombing themselves, then Zionists.
Actually, if you go read the prior thread about the Bahrainis being released, there was quite a bit of comment that they were innocent. The most ironic was that when the US held them at Gitmo, they refused to take it on American authority that they could be guilty of anything, but when they were released, they were happy to accept American authority that they must be innocent if set free.
America has not declared your Gitmo Bahrainis to be innocent, no matter how much you’d like to believe it. The fact is that the US has released jihadis from Gitmo it judged to be not especially guilty. A dozen of the Gitmo prisoners released have gone straight back into terrorism.
We did not charge the Japanese or German soldiers we captured in WWII with any crime, yet they were still combatants engaged in hostilities against the US, just like the prisoners in Gitmo. You are just shopping around for a convenient body of law to spring them. Since they are caught dead to rights under international law, you would prefer they be treated under domestic law, like shoplifters, where they are more likely to be set free.
Steve
People in Glass Houses Shouldn’t Throw Stones
I’d be careful ascribing motivations to me, and making assumptions, when your GENERAL ATTITUDE towards muslim is ON RECORD to HAVE THEM WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE PLANET.
Don’t ever paint me with the same brush you paint yourself
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
I could not agree more, apart from being a murdere he is also so gutless that he leaves his home and then bombs it? Why? What did those wedding guests do to him? What good is murder?
He is Al-Zarcoward, that is all.
Re: People in Glass Houses Shouldn’t Throw Stones
False. I challenge you to quote me anywhere on this forum where I advocated Muslims be wiped off the planet. That’s how the radical Muslims think. That’s not how I think.
If you are telling the truth, you can place the quote where Steve The American advocates all Muslims be wiped out right here after this post along with a link to it for all to see. All your evidence is neatly documented in this forum so it should be easy to do, right? If no such cite appears, then we can agree that you are simply indulging in slander.
Good Luck!
Steve
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
This is truly sickening, my sympathies thoughts and prayers are with the families of all the victims: Jordanians, Americans, Bahrainis, Israelis etc ; It doesn’t matter. Worlds have been extinguished when those lives were taken. To those angered by Steve’s comments, A piece of advice:
Try as much as you can to make your own communities a safer place one that respects human life and dignity and the basic freedoms that allow men and women’s spirits to soar. As sure as rain if we don’t do it ourselves then we leave the door open to Steve’s ilk to try their hands in remaking us, believe me those hands will not be gentle.
Personally I have no time for those who would use the same methods the terrorists employ to try to change the ” hearts and minds” of a population.
A Saudi
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
My thoughts go out to anyone involved in the atrocities. We’re still dealing with them in the UK so I know it’s going to be a confusing time, but we’re made of sterner stuff than they thought, we’re still getting on with our lives and laughing.
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
[i]”Fuck you Zarqawi and the wahabi pigs who support you”[/i]
Geez, Have some class dude & take the high road.
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
Try as much as you can to make your own communities a safer place one that respects human life and dignity and the basic freedoms that allow men and women’s spirits to soar.
A Saudi
Can I ask you a few questions, are there any Churches or Synogogues in KSA? At the airport in KSA do they take away things like crosses or stars of David? Can a person have a gathering in their home and pray collectively to Jesus? Can a person in KSA own a bible? Can a Buddahist have a statue of Buddah in thier home and an altar? Can a Christian have a Christmas tree or an Easter Bunny in KSA? Can a person sing hyms?
I saw a picture once of a freeway in KSA, one sign pointed muslims to the left, all others had to take the right road. Why is that?
How can spirits soar when there is so much oppression?
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
PS- I am very sorry for all the people that lost their lives and for the people that lost their loved ones. I would like to think that the people that danced on 9-11 are the exception in the muslim world.
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Not all Muslims Steve, but you certainly have advocating wiping Saudi Arabia off the map. I admire Mahmood for puting up with you so long. You have been proved wrong left and right on this forum, for the couple of years I have been reading, and you still come back for more with your ideas and your positions hardened. I would hope you would use this forum and Mahmood’s site to open yourself to new ideas and people. Instead you attack almost everything about Arabs, Muslims, from top to bottom.
It is a sad state of affairs when you can be exposed to so much diversity yet stay so closed minded.
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My heart goes out to the victims of this hideous, pathological crime. I can only hope the many thousands whose lives were torn apart will shun simple revenge and find the strength to fight back by actively opposing the repulsive ideas that make these inhuman acts possible.
Jared in NYC
Re(2): People in Glass Houses Shouldn’t Throw Stones
That’s a lost cause! Steve’s views and thoughts do not go beyond hate for hate’s sake. He does not want dialogue nor understanding, he just wants Muslims in general and Saudi in particular annihilated regardless of the method used to do so.
I really think it’s a waste of time engaging him in any debate because he doesn’t know the meaning of the word. He’s more interested in repeating ad nauseam his already set views, attacking those of us here who are moderates and have changed or have the potential to change our communities to the better.
I don’t put up with Steve any more, I just ignore him.
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From my understanding of Saudi’s comment, is that he wants to change his community TO ENABLE such things as you describe, and remove discrimination in whatever form it comes in. If you would re-read the comment I’m sure you will come to agree with my interpretation.
Attacking a person for his country’s faults is not going to correct anything now is it? It would be better if you offered your help to ensure that that person gets on the way of repairing his country don’t you think?
Re(1): People in Glass Houses Shouldn’t Throw Stones
Suffering from amnesia Steve?
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
This was another in a long line of atrocities committed against ordinary people who are just living their lives. The BBC interviewed the groom whose wedding was blown apart by those cretins wrapped in semtex. It was utterly heartbreaking.
The likes of al Zarqawi cannot create anything: not a better world, not even a single better person. All they are capable of is destruction.
The Venerable Ash.
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
My thoughts go out to Jordan’s victims, but at the same time I keep thinking loud.. Why now the Jordanian and the world are condemning the killing of innocent people? I perfectly understand why and I do share with them the condemnation but where were they when thousands of Iraqis were and still are killed in daily massacres? Are they that cheap? is the Shia’a blood differs from the other people’s blood, or what? The criminals are the same yet the condemnation raised only when other-than-Iraqi-shia’a are killed.
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
Dear —
First of all don’t worry about it you can definitely ask me those questions, and I would be more then glad to answer them for you, but please let them be in the spirit of trying to better understand each other.
* Are there Churches and Synagogues in Saudi?
The short answer is No. The more complicated one? Yes … confusing? I’ll explain: from my own experience as an easterner whose parents and brother worked in Aramco I can tell you that the compound in Dhahran -by compound I mean its the size of a township with a population of around 11,000 with schools, restaurants, baseball diamonds, a hospital etc- had for decades and as far as I know still has houses that were allocated solely for the purpose of churches, as Saudis we knew this and those who were close to the expats talked openly about them but generally everyone took a policy of live and let live, After reading Thomas Lippman’s ” Inside the mirage” I realized that the situation was much more evolved, there were special visas granted to pastors and priests by the government knowing fully well that they’re job was to tend for congregations a parishes in these compounds with the agreement that they will be discreet and never try to proselytize. This was not limited to compounds but also to embassies and consulates. Outside those enclaves though they are absolutely banned. As to the matter of synagogues because of the ban on people of the Jewish faith entering the county (with some high-profile exceptions) the question is moot.
* At the airport in KSA do they take away things like crosses or stars of David?
Again the short answer is Yes they do, and in the other hand there’s a famous incident when an envoy from the Vatican came on an official visit to meet King Faisal and somehow his luggage which contained vestments, chalices, crosses etc was lost. Faisal was livid and ordered Saudia which must have handled baggage handling back then to do their utmost to find it, which they did and which contents were later used at a mass in one of the embassies. One of the most terrifying experiences I’ve ever had was bringing a rose-petal rosary from Spain for a catholic friend as a gift to Saudi, As Bahrain has the closest airport to Khobar-my home town- I landed there and of course as Sod’s law dictates the metal detector bleeped as I went thru it and the rosary was found. Till this day I wonder what the bemused officer was thinking thumbing the rosary and asking for my passport, he lifted an eyebrow when he saw it was Saudi but then just handed it and the rosary back to me. By the time I reached the King Fahd Causeway -border crossing- I had taken extra precautions concealing it knowing fully well as an individual I would be royal screwed if found. Thankfully it finally reached who it was intended for.
* Can a person in KSA own a bible?
Again yes and no, if you have patronage like in the case of the churches above your fine if not then a raid by the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of vice thugs will lead to confiscation and deportation if not worse. Personally I borrowed a book out of the Aramco Library on St Francis of Assisi and no one batted an eye.
* Can a Buddhist have a statue of Buddha in their home and an altar?
As Buddhists are not considered to be people of the book (Christians or Jewish) there situation is more precarious I personally haven’t heard of places with or without patronage where they can meet to worship. My Personal experience: The family had once employed a domestic helper from Sri Lanka –a Buddhist who was free to practice in our house and I have heard of many other cases at other homes.
* Can Christian have a Christmas tree or an Easter Bunny in KSA?
At this level it’s really a matter of discretion it depends where you are and what the general mood of the committee of POVPOV- They’ve been banning Valentine cards for quite a while now- in the other hand I’vr heard of similar cases in India where a state banned it for encroaching on its culture or some sort of malarkey. My personal experience: In an earlier post I recalled how as a child in Dhahran I sat on the lap of Santa who in Eid was the same fella who was now dressed as Juha (a popular Arab folkloric figure). As any Aramco Brat will tell you we relished the Easter hunt in the Hills Park every March/April and till I was about 18 I thought plastic eggs stuffed with little trinkets was the norm! Boy was I let down when I realized all those years I should have been stuffing me face with chocolate!!!
* Can a person sing hymns?
Well at least for this one I can say a simple yes, you can buy Bach’s Kyrie or Rachmaninoff’s vespers from any music store in Saudi that stock them, as I have. If you mean in the context of church well the answer of the first question applies.
* I saw a picture once of a freeway in KSA, one sign pointed Muslims to the left, all others had to take the right road. Why is that?
It took me a while to get my head around that one and then “Bing!” what you saw was a highway that was in the verge of crossing the city limits of Mecca where non-Muslims are not allowed o enter hence if you fall in the category you have to take the exit.
Ok first of all I hope my attempt in answering the previous questions were helpful if you need any clarifications please do not hesitate to ask if you feel you’d rather not post them in the blog then my personal email is kabourmi@hotmail.com , feel free to use that if you wish. As you might have noticed I’ve tried to be as objective and factual up till now and also using first hand accounts. I’ve consciously tried not to include my own views in those answers but if I assume correctly you’re now trying to ask me my own opinion…
* How can spirits soar when there is so much oppression?
Very very difficulty … and yet we should never underestimate that powerful urge in every human. Even those in the most stifling atmosphere will look up to the sky and dream, wasn’t it Oscar Wilde who said:
I never saw a man who looked
With such a wistful eye
Upon that little tent of blue
Which prisoners call the sky
Well he wrote the Ballads of Reading Gaol while in prison for a crime of conscience and it does seem that us Saudis are often prisoners of conscience in our own country and yet who can blame some us for gazing wistfully to a future where such oppression was a sordid part our of history that we can look back at with contempt and we can look proudly at our own actions and deeds that freed us. Although the answers I gave you paints a generally bleak picture in almost every instance there were rays of light and glimmers of hope.
The measures that the government takes to “save face” by banning Public worship and yet permitting them in enclaves when it suits it is cowardly and despicable, The outwardly modern country which is Saudi was built with the hands of people from different creeds and races and to deny them there rights to practice their religion in however manner they wish is an utter disgrace, For those how ply us with hogwash and point to the Vatican as in example of a country that doesn’t have temples or synagogues well if we ignore for a second its size the fact is…. IT IS the seat of Catholicism. Saudi Arabia is NOT the seat of Islam if such a thing exists in a religion that in its essence is completely decentralized. Lets take a simple SAT like analogy test, the Vatican is to Italy as Mecca is to where?
Saudi you say? great! Now one of the largest mosques in Europe no less lies on a hill in Rome overseeing the Vatican. With the logic that those people throw at us there should be a massive cathedral in Jeddah. Another thing that real ticks me off is the harsh punishment for those who proselytize, the government insults us as Muslims when it implies by doing so that our faith can’t withstand a few people with pamphlets. Lets welcome them with open arms. Its the least we can do when our own are not only allowed to proselytize in foreign countries but often get government tax exemptions and even grants to build Islamic cultural centres, like the one in Clonskeagh over here in Ireland… which incidentally was a free mason school ….how bizarre is that!!
I hope the day that Saudi women are allowed to drive, work in whatever field and even lead a government comes soon but till then my point in the earlier comment was we can not expect change to happen if we as individuals don’t work at bringing that day near, and frankly I will always advocate that the change should come from within us, and not expect others do it for us. As individuals we really must be the change we want to see in the world.
A Saudi
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It wasn’t my question, but I sure enjoyed reading your answers. Thanks! AGA
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A Saudi,
Although your gracious post wasn’t in reply to me, I would still like to thank you for it. It has been my personal experience that those able to consistently take the high road when faced with insult or simple anger are much more likely to get their point across successfuly.
Jared in NYC
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
I didn’t mean it as an attack. I meant it as KSA has allot of work to do, and KSA Wahabist Islam is a huge problem. Every free thinking , free hearts, and souls way of life is threatened. I hope the muslims that live under the royal family will one day be brave enough and rise up, and enact change.
A Saudi, I am sorry if it seemed like an attack. I truly hope that everyone including the muslims will have the freedom to let their spirits soar.
dreaming of the day when a woman drives on the streets of Riyad without the escort of a male relative.
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Saudi,
The Saudi Wahhabi terrorists cut infidel heads off to spread their religion. They have no interest in changing hearts and minds, but rather blowing hearts and minds to bits. Your attempt to project those tactics on to those, like me, who oppose them is absurd. Hearing the truth plainly stated about Saudi Arabia may feel like your head is coming off, but I assure you that no electrons flung by me across the Internet will draw one drop of blood from you or anyone else.
However, your advice to “make your own communities a safer place one that respects human life and dignity and the basic freedoms that allow men and women’s spirits to soar” is excellent advice. Does that mean that your country will stop sending suicide bombers into Iraq to kill crowds of children? So far the only thing Saudis have sent soaring in Iraq are body parts of innocent bystanders.
Steve
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
A Saudi,
thank-you very much, I emailed you, so you should be getting it soon.
“I hope the day that Saudi women are allowed to drive, work in whatever field and even lead a government comes soon but till then my point in the earlier comment was we can not expect change to happen if we as individuals don’t work at bringing that day near, and frankly I will always advocate that the change should come from within us, and not expect others do it for us. As individuals we really must be the change we want to see in the world.”
agreed wholeheartedly 100%.
-pjb
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
very good post saudi..very good post. It is essential that we understand each other’s countries a lot better so the world can get along better in the future. keep it up.
Two Bahrainis dead in the Jordan terrorist bombings
Thanks fellas I really appreciate your comments, AGA etc… I wholeheartedly agree with you Jared and I do hope we all try to make this arena -Mahmood’s Den- an environment for constructive dialogue and criticism that brings us together. PJB I’ll get on that email ASAP! And thanks for posing those questions in the first place! Keep them coming!!
God bless-Salam!
A Saudi