Shut shops for Friday prayers
Shops, restaurants, coffee houses, garages and other workshops could be forced by law to close for two hours for Friday prayers, if MPs get their way. Those caught opening from 11am to 1pm on Fridays would be fined or their establishments closed for a week, under proposals backed by parliament yesterday.
Petrol stations could also be closed under the proposed new law, which will now be submitted to the Cabinet.
MPs said the proposal was in keeping with what is written in the Quran.
It has been submitted by parliament public utilities and environment affairs chairman Abdulaziz Al Moosa, foreign affairs, defence and national security committee vice-chairman Abdulla Al Dossari, Ahmed Haji, Hamad Al Mohannadi and Ahmed Hussain.
Mr Al Moosa said the Quran was clear that all selling should stop during the Friday prayer.
“People’s feelings are hurt by the fact that these places are near mosques and are open while they are performing their prayers,” he said.
“These two hours a week wouldn’t harm anyone or affect anyone’s business and will encourage people to go for prayer.”
GDN
According to Al-Wasat too, this motion has already been overwhelmingly approved and sent to the Cabinet by parliament.
My question is, as I’ve got a new business idea of selling cane sticks, those that are favoured by the muttawas in our big neighbourly country, would they allow me to sell them outside of mosques during prayer time? I mean, wouldn’t I assist them in chasing all those who don’t want to pray, or prefer to pray at home, or can’t pray and beating them with these sticks to “encourage people to go for prayer” too?
I’d even give them quantity discounts, 20% for a bundle of 5, 30% for a bundle of 10, and I’ll guarantee that the bundle would have different thicknesses, the thicker ones of course are there to beat their wives with “who are disobedient” and refuse to share their beds, or any excuse they might whip out.
Once I’m done with the Friday prayer business, I would move my stalls to BMMI and other off licenses and invite these muttawas to beat the bejeezus out of anyone in the area, thus forcing these businesses to close and result in job losses etc. We’d be doing our religious duty and we won’t care for the resultant effect on the economy and unemployment. I must warn you that I shall not be offering any further discounts there, because surely God will compensate the chasers with life everlasting in the gardens of Eden which of course have rivers of the good stuff flowing.
Then we might as well close hotels while we’re at it. Oh wait, that’s been done by Abdulghaffar as punishment for their temerity of selling booze during Ramadhan. Damn, selling those sticks at the entrances of hotels would have been a good revenue stream for me.
Ah well. You know what they say: Islam is the solution right?
Can anyone suggest a country I might consider emigrating to that will allow me just to live my life without anyone imposing their interpretation of whatever religion on me and my family? A country that is tolerant that might appreciate its citizens and protect their freedoms, rather than one whose parliament has made it its mandate to rule by and from pulpits?
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No I do not.
It is not the government’s job to propogate religion nor guide or force people to perform their religious duties. Religion is strictly between a person and his/her God.
Creeping death
am not against the quran or any other religion for that matter but why close petrol stations though? What if there’s an emergency and someone’s got a patient to get driven to the hospital and they drive by a petrol station to only find it closed… hence the car stays put, the patient’s chance to live fades off?
are there any stats on such cases like the above? would the cso have something on this? any ideas?
thanks,
angelo.
Creeping death
Oh dear me… i hope this law is not passed. How can things like this happen with out us, the people, being consulted? What kind of democracy takes away freedom??? And to ‘anonymous’ asking about being ‘against Islam
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Mr. Mahmood, thank you very much for your reply, this proves my point of view that a man with such a blog is a man you really enjoy discussion with.
I really appreciate the part of Quran you gave an example, but i am sure also you are aware about Sorat Al Jom3a , Aya no. 9
يا أيها الذينأمنوا أذا نوديللصلاة منيوم الجمعة Ù?اسعوا الى ذكر الله وذروا البيع ذلكم خير لكم انكنتم تعلموÙâ€Â
sorry i don’t have the Quran on this laptop so i wrote it myself, as you see it was mentioned in Quran as order to leave anything except praying Al Jum3a, the other thing in more than one Hadeth it was clearly mentioned that Al Jum3a prayer is the most important Muslims prayers and it was also mentioned that praying should be in mosques except the cases of inability like being sick or sleep …. (sure you know the cases).
Again this doesn’t mean forcing people to pray or to do anything as i agree with you that religion is something between the person and Allah.
But i think it is part of the Muslim governments duties to at least do what Allah ordered us so clsoing shops for one hour (i see it enough not 2) during Friday prayer is acceptable from my point of view with all the respect for other points of view.
Having in mind emergency cases, i can’t agree on closing petrol stations or pharmacies or any shop could be needed in case of emergency.
Mr. Mahmood, please accept my comment and think about it, what i understood from the way you handled this subject and Rmadhan-hotels subject seems to me as if you are against Islam or any decisions based on Quran. Please just think about it and read it again and tell me what do you think.
Finally i would like to thank you very much for your understanding.
Creeping death
Mahmood, I voted in the last parliamentary elections, and to be honest, I chose a guy in a suit. Don’t even remember his name, but the rest of them had beards or just look pissed off. If there was a woman in my district, my vote would have gone to her, because I am certain that if more women were elected, maybe, just maybe, they’d focus on REAL issues instead of crap like this.
And as far as the really polite guy who’s postings look like they were written by Bambi, please knock it off. I don’t respect your opinion because you don’t respect mine. And what’s my opinion? I don’t have one. Why? Because I don’t believe in having an opinion as far as punishment is conscerned. ‘Punishment’? you ask. Yes, shutting down shops for two hours so that I can go pray is a form of punishment for NOT praying. Buy hey, the internet doesn’t shut down for two hours on a Friday. Neither does my playstation. So if the shops are closed, the last thing I’ll be doing is running to the local mosque and start praying.
And while I’m at it, why must I always hear someone screaming from the mosque? I’m not talking about the adhan, which has never bothered me, but the sermons on loud speakers. I’m already forced to listen to some pissed off mullah, but now you want to stop me from shopping? Buddy, I need to be enclosed in a mall somewhere so that I can avoid the rage and anger. We’re turning into a nazi state by the same clowns we elected.
Mahmood, I think you know more about this subject than me, so can you PLEASE come up with a list of current MPs that have either done one of the following: pissed you off, shown that they are unfit for politics, accused people of dancing with satan, proposed ludicrus ideas, or just show that they lack the fundamentals of being in an organization that is supposed to make things better, and not worse. This would be an important list so that all the readers would know the agenda (whether they would want to turn us into another IRAN) or just focus on issues that are outside the realm of religion. The next time i vote, I would use this list so that I would avoid voting for the wrong over-paid monkey who’s looking for a new 7 series BMW.
Creeping death
My personal opinion is that the government has so many other pressing issues yet they always seem to focus on the secular. It would be nice if they would focus on something important like poverty, human rights and housing instead of these petty issues. Fixing a few of the potholes would rank as more important to me. These are government issues. Prayer times are not.
It all boils down to choice. I am not Muslim, but I do respect the values and traditions of the religion. I hope for the same respect as a non Muslim.
As to the comments about the sale of alcohol durring Ramadan. This is something that the hotels and the entire industry would be more than happy to follow, but you need to be given proper notice as to adjust staffing and inventory levels. The issue has nothing to do with disrespect for the religion, it has to do with the government not respecting my industry and thier lack of communication.
Creeping death
Mahmood How about the big island here in Hawai’i. You can wear those hideous looking shorts I’ve seen pictures of you in and grow all kinds of flowers.
billT
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Do you consider polite guys as Bambi? do you think democracy or freedom gives you the right to disrespect people or people’s openions? who didn’t respect your openion? you said it yourself, you don’t even have one.
Sorry but i will remain polite and will remain respect other’s openion.
I think even in punishment or governmental decisions you still have an openion to say and even your openion could be effective if not now it will be soon, you know how? it is very simple and you said it yourself , THE NEXT ELECTIONS don’t elect those who didn’t achieve your hopes.
Dear all, please take it this way and correct me if i am wrong, if those in the parliment didn’t do anything or stayed the whole term just visiting the parliment , eating , laughing and sometimes sleeping like what is going in many other middle eastern countries, how we will know they were the right choice or not?, how you will know if you can re-elect them or not?
I see all discussions , suggestions and proposals happening in the parliment are very healthy and positive to show us the real persons we elected and judge them and then we decide who we should re-elect next time.
Again, i still respect your openion even if you disrespect mine, if the cabinet approves the proposal (don’t think it will), no one will force you to pray, you still have the internet and the playstation.
I agree with you about some Emams who are screaming but i can choose a mosque with a reasonable voiced Emam.
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If that were true (your translation of the word ذروا as abstain, or it is prohibited to trade in favour of performing your religious rites) then the Qur’an contradicts itself quite plainly. In one very explicit ayah as I’ve quoted above Allah allows people to have their own mind and that “there is no compulsion in religion” and then He changes His mind and forces those who believe to perform Friday prayer. Which is it to be?
Another fact is that He specifically singled out “those who believe”, if this is correct, then He is contributing to the lines of the unemployed, as no business would want to employ Muslims, as non-Muslims are not affected therefore they can continue to trade, therefore businessmen would just employ them.
On a practical level, Friday is the only day most families have to go out to shop and to enjoy themselves by going to restaurants, cinemas etc. Shutting down for 2 hours would grately disrupt their Friday activies if they choose not to perform Friday prayers.
Allah also specifically said:
Islam and State do not mix
Ahh, I see the discussion of the latest affront religion has on personal freedoms vis-a-vis the state has moved here! I will re-post:
And now for my actual post:
Hello, I am Ibn.
[quote] Religion is NOT our problem. In Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)’s days, Muslim nations were the most successful and prosperous, while religion ruled their life. Our problem is the misunderstanding of Islam’s teachings, and arguing alot about things that aren’t that important.[/quote]
Partly true – two mullahs argueing over why a male should not sleep in a bunk bed over a female in a train travelling 50mph because should the train crash the male might fall on the female thereby impregnating her, is of no use. And yes, this conversation ACTUALLY HAPPENED on one of Iran’s state (did I say STATE?) owned television.
But here’s the real kicker:
[quote] What we need to do is follow Islam in the RIGHT way.[/quote]
LOL! Really?! Ladies and gentlemen, I nominate THIS above quote as “Quote of the millenium”! Hahahahaha!!
Ooohhhh…my friend! If ONLY everyone followed their religion “the correct way”. Ahh, how much easier life would be….the crusades would have never hapened, 9-11 would be in the fiction section of bookstores, and catholic priests wouldnt be boning 13 year old boys….ahh, how wonderfull…
You see my friend, what you and others need to realise, is that you are a human, BEFORE you are a muslim. THAT is the key – and guess what hapens to humans when they are given unchecked power? Thats right! You guessed it – they abuse it! Ta da! Human nature 101!
Human –> Muslim
and NOT:
Muslim –> Human
Nuh uh.
Historically speaking my friend, Europe spent a good 1000 years trying to “follow religion the right way”. And where did it get them in this time? Nowhere! Now if you already know this, why would you not spare our people the same heartache?
If The separation of religion and state was a person, he would say this:
“While you research your ‘right way of religion
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Mr. Mohamood, Quran never contradicts itself, in all Tafseer books, you can read that what is meant by “there is no compulsion in religion” is not forcing people to go for Islam or to be Muslims.
But when people choose to be Muslims and they are believers , then all what Allah asked for is going to the Mosque for Friday prayer and to forget about buying and selling during the prayer time. (One or two hours per week, too much???)
Again still you can choose to pray or not.
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Yes it is, if you’re forced to do it, but nothing if it is volentary.
The issue apart from that is that the Islamists demands would be all over us like creeping death if this comes to pass without any opposition. It is shutting down for 2 hours for Friday prayers, then it is 30 minutes for every prayer time, then ban Satellite TVs, then ban TVs alltogether, then force women to wear the hijab, then close all commercial (non-Islamic) banks and insurance companies, then ban girls from schools, then ban women from going out of the house and goodness knows what else.
And they say there is no compulsion in religion!
Re: Islam and State do not mix
well said.
Creeping death
You guys aren’t giving me much chance to jump in.
However, if you are thinking of emigrating, Mahmood, there’s plenty of room for you here in Great Satan Land, although I would not recommend Washington, DC. Too darn cold and congested. Bill was being eminently sensible for once in his life by suggesting Hawaii, though I suspect that you could go island happy after a while. Too many pineapples. You may be used to that claustrophobic feeling you get when you can not get in your car and drive all day in a straight line.
Florida is a fine place but Miami, while exciting, is kinda scary and probably no place to raise kids. The best places along the Florida coasts are already taken by colonies of blue-haired old ladies living out their retirement. You’re too young for that. Besides, your chance of being blown away by a hurricane sometime in the next thirty years is 100% where ever you live in Florida.
California is nice for a visit but the Democrats have ruined it, chasing away business and driving up home prices with their nonsense laws. It’s only good if you just smuggled yourself across the border from Mexico.
Texas is the place for you, Mahmood. Dallas has a faint whiff of the desert about it, enough to stave off the homesickness. Lots of open land. Weather is mostly warm. No state income tax. And the people are fiercely independent and not about to have anybody telling them what to do. Good sized IT market.
I can just see you driving down the George Bush Tollway in a pick-em-up truck, wearing a big belt buckle and gimme cap, with a frosty one in your paw. The wife is sitting beside you with Big Hair. Hanan is in the back seat talking about this awesomely awesome dude she met at the Galleria who drives like a Porsche, ya know. Your boy is talking about joining the Marines.
Now lean back in your chair, tilt your head back, and yell, as loud as you can, “YEEEEEEHAWWW!”
It feels good, doesn’t it, Mahmood? Really, really good.
Think about it,
Steve
Creeping death
This is getting ridiculous…. It seems like the government is supporting these extreme idiots and pushing for this sort of stuff. Let me know if you find a place to emigrate to. I’m right behind ya…. By the way, is there ANYONE we can talk to about this (i.e. MPs, gov’t officials) so that we can voice our opinion. These people have taken advantage of their positions for way too long. Time to put a stop to it….
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The only way to stop them is not to re-elect them. Pure and simple. Regardless of our personal distaste for their antics, they are our democratically elected representatives and they act in our name.
I am actually quite happy that they’ve shown what they’re made of, and the way that they think time and again. The more of this stuff the better, because when the time comes I hope that people will remember their time in parliament and the way they have used it as their personal pulpits, and thus won’t dare re-elect them again.
Creeping death
i think the petty issues these ‘parliamentarians’ choose to focus on is a reflection of what their miniscule brains can handle. if they could choose one, just one, REAL issue and work on it throughout their term we’d be in a much better place. And there are plenty topics to choose from. Do we have the right to direct what we think these people should be working on and measure their success and productivity based on their achievements? Mahmood? Can’t we give them a ‘to do’ list? Do you know? if not, we should before they ruin the country for good. It infuriates me to see poverty in our villages, our beaches desecrated by litter, people in need of education and training, hospitals in need of linens and beds etc. etc. etc. while these people sit around thinking up ways of destroying the economy and imposing thier idiotic, short sighted, neanderthal views on everyone in the country! At this rate, KSA will look more attractive to live in. How can these guys say that ‘two hours won’t hurt anyone’. This hurts everyone in so many ways. They need to be sent to economics 101. and one more thing, these guys don’t have any respect for anyone’s opinions nor do they understand what that means, because if they did, they wouldnt try to pass their own OPINIONS as law of the land!
Creeping death
Mr Mahmood, with all my respect to yourself and your Blog i really like most of what you are writing here as it is open , direct and honest but , and i hope you can be patient with what i will say, why you are against anything islamic? why you are against Islam? i guess you are Muslim and i was really surprised about your reaction regarding some hotels punishment during Ramadhan and again now with the Friday Prayer.
Dear Mr. Mahmood ,we are in a Muslim country and everyone living in any country is respecting the country’s laws and traditions, this even applies in Europe and the states now, as a muslim living there you have to respect their laws and traditions.
As a Muslem, please Read Quran just to know that this suggestion is not from any human’s thoughts but it is ordered by Allah in Quran. and what is the big deal in these tow hours on Friday? i mean if it was approved by the cabinet!!
Finally i think there are alot of countries in the world where you will not even hear about Islam and you may not pray if you don’t want to.
Again here even in Bahrain you have the choice to pray or not , it is your relation with Allah.
Please accept my regards and i just wish you can understand the right meaning of Islam and Quran.
Thank you very much for your democratic blog.
Creeping death
It’s not really the 2 hour closing ban that frustrates me – It’s the fact that this is a proposal for a nationwide compulsory law based on religious views. Doesn’t our constitution rant on about safeguarding traditions? – I certainly don’t remember a 2 hour meltdown on Fridays being compulsory. I hope the shura council reject it completely.
Creeping death
Hey Mahmood, I’m not really familiar with Bahrain’s government so sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, but as of now is there a seperation of church and state in Bahrain? Oh, and to where you can immigrate to, well, the USA is always a choice 🙂
-Ash
[url]http://ashleysthoughts89.blogspot.com/[/url]
Creeping death
Hey, sorry guys , i am not Bahraini but i like what you are doing here.
I just have a question, why all these discussions for two hours on Friday and no one mentioned the two days that come usually during March or April every year? all shops are closed also during these two days not two hour. any answer?
Creeping death
It’s not so much the two hours on Friday. Today it will be two hours on a Friday then before you know it we have to close shops five times a day like our neighbours – which really is not right and is actually more inconvenient especially if if you’re a traveller or if you collect your five prayers together and do them three times in the day.
“There is no Compulsion in Religion.” You can’t chase after people to get them to pray – a prayer is a personal act between a person and God, if he didn’t want to be there in the first place then he shouldn’t pray.
Personally I don’t mind the shops being closed for Two hours on a Friday, after all here in the UK the shops are practically closed on a Sunday or if they are open they shut very early.
Creeping death
Mahmood you are welcome to Canada. The policies for immigrants here are lax and it wouldnt be that hard for you to come here. I think you already visited Canada some time ago. If you dont mind the winter then this is the place to be. And about the article these people are having brain farts left and right who has the right to tell me to go pray on friday and close my shop NOBODY… So tell those inbred morons to fek off
Ali
Creeping death
Good, Canada , here is a place you can go to with anyone resticting you ,,, i think you will have more invitations from many other countries.
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Thank you for your sentiments my friend, you are always welcome here and thank you for participating in the discussion.
My point is not against Islam nor is it against Muslims. I am one, and shall alway be. My problem with this situation is that it restricts personal freedoms that Allah Himself has given his creations, it is up to the human being him/herself to determine whether to pray and where to do that rite in, not for the government, members of parliament, the police or even the religious clerics to force people to pray and where they should pray.
If Allah said that there is no compulsion in religion, are these members of parliament and muttawas actually more knowing and more jeolous for Allah’s relgion more than Allah to impose their will?
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Hello Mr. Mahmood
Don’t you believe that governements should be guiding there people as in to praying?
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You mean the Formula 1? Those 2 days off are for the government schools and are not compulsory for private business. The days given initially was because they expected crowds on the roads to/from the BIC and was a measure in crowd control and safety.
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Ali Canada is too bloody cold for my bones! But we did enjoy ourselves tremendously there and I know the kids and Frances won’t mind it one bit if we moved there.
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That’s an easy one, almost all of them!
The only ones I would re-elect again are:
Othman Al-Rayyis
Abdulhadi Marhoon
Yousif Zainal
Jihad Bukamal
Abdulnabi Salman
Farid Ghazi
Jassim Abdul’aal
Mohammed Al-Shaikh
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Now THAT’S an idea that hits home! Especially as it will allow me to LIVE in hideous shorts and shirts for ever! 😆
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I lived in Texas. I lived in Fort Worth for 4 months, but as the most I’ve seen of it was various aerial views, I couldn’t say that I knew it enough to ascertain its livability. I’ve flown all over that corner of the States an almost made it to New Orleans except for the failure of the vacuum pump on my C-172 prevented that. I like that area though…
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I wish Ash! The constitution certainly attempts to do so by only using the Shari’a as a source of legislation, this parliament however want to change that “a” to the. And this I have a major problem with.
Creeping death
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Mahmood,
Who elected these guys?
Seriously the separation of church and state is very important, it may remove the church/mosque from Lording it over the people however it also protects the mosque/church from the government as well. Those who choose religion are much more true than those who have been coerced into doing so.
On another note:
I’d like to wish you all a Happy New Year and a Merry Christmas; though you may not all subscribe to Christmas and have a different date for the new year, please consider my best wishes for everyone any time all year round, regardless of creed. I am never offended when wished a successful Ramadan or a Happy Chinese New Year etc. AND special best wishes to King Abdullah of Jordan and HRH King Mahmed for they are in a position to make the world better and their counter parts in the House of Saud have my sympathy.
Kindly
Augurwell
Chesshire by Severn
Canada
Aegisi@sympatico.ca
.
Creeping death
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P.S.
Listen Folks; “There is no compulsion in religion.” The Profit (M.H.B.B.) understood this, those who do not are hypocrites; The worst of sin.
Kindly
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Creeping death
Mahmood in a C-172? Would love to see a picture!
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No, i don’t mean the F1 , don’t think shops are closed for F1, i mean those two days off again for a religious reason with all shops closed and i don’t know why.
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Go away bambi, and mind your own damn business….
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Ok Ok , calm down , i will go away , but next time remember to respect others and other’s openions when you post about them or just mind your own business.
Creeping death
Part of the problem is that too many people don’t understand that there can be no such thing as an ‘Islamic democracy’. This term is an oxymoron because it immediately implies that a person of a certain faith or background will be treated better than others. This is why Israel, as so-called ‘Jewish democracy’ doesn’t make sense either. Calling the country Israel is like calling the US, the United States of Christianity. I believe that this is the easiest argument against the existence of the State of Israel that there can be yet Muslims generally can’t use it becase they usually don’t understand teh concept themselves.
The term ‘democracy
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Ah, fishing. Sorry, bait not working.
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[quote]Mr. Mohamood, Quran never contradicts itself[/quote]
The Koran is full of contradictions, habibi.
Let us read 2:109 and 9:29
2:109 Many of the people of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them. [b]Forgive and be indulgent (toward them)[/b] until Allah give command. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.
9:29 [b]Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth (Islam)[/b], until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Or outright lies. There has never been a Jew who has claimed that Ezra was the son of God.
For a book written by ALLAH himself, there’s a BIG problem with this verse.
9:30 [b]And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah,[/b] and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
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صاده !
Creeping death
It is surprising me those who are speaking on behalf of Allah, and those who claims the understanding of Quran ,meanings of its words and its explanation. specially the one who attacks Quran aggressively claiming it is full of contradictions , i am sure he is not Muslim and i can’t believe how Muslims in this Blog specially Mahmood didn’t stand at least to defend the Holy Quran they are supposed to believe in.
I agree to refuse any proposal you don’t like, but i can’t agree to let your discussions against the proposal open the door for others to attack Islam and Quran, attack your religion and the Book you believe in.
We all know that those who are against Islam are just waiting for a chance to jump in. Muslims shouldn’t be the support for those people against Islam.
All Muslims on this Blog, please do whatever you want and say your openions negative or positive in any subject but please let us agree to respect and defend Islam and Quran, at least by the end we shouldn’t loose our religion.
Creeping death
[quote]All Muslims on this Blog, please do whatever you want and say your openions negative or positive in any subject but please let us agree to respect and defend Islam and Quran[/quote]
Ahh, well finally the cat has come out of the bag! Oh im so happy! 😀
THIS is precisely the attitude that leads to stagnation, and backwardness – let us criticise everything else…EXCEPT the quran….or EXCEPT religion….or EXCEPT Islamic laws…..or EXCEPT insert_sheihks_edict_here.
Well, I disagree. Im sorry, but I am SICK and TIRED of this “religion is perfect…especially my religion” attitude. THIS is what is wrong with our countries, PRECISELY this attitude.
But since you have made an appeal to muslims in general, then I invite myself to make another appeal, in the same spirit as yours, to EVERYONE:
“Let us please all agree, than nothing is above critical thought, and that we are to use our brains and reason to analyse any philosophy, eddict, book, religion, faith, law, and belief, with unforgiving scrutiny, with the intention of improving life on Earth.” (Yes, life on Earth is worth living. If you dont think so, I hear saudi Arabia has some high cliffs…”
Thank you!
Ibn
P.S. And Mr “Anonymous on December 23, 2005 06:04 PM”, let me say one more thing:
You do not have a monopoly on religion, and Muslim’s variations in beliefs. You are not Allah’s lawyer, and neither am I. If you do not think the Quran is contradictory, (just like ANY other holy book such as the Bible, Torah, etc), then make your counter point, instead of posting general rallying cries.
Creeping death
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Creeping death
The head of the Parliment is longing to creat a state like Suadi Arabia so that he and hia stupid members can enjoy the benefit of this country and drive it to the hell like what is going on in Suadi Arabia. Please, do have a look at other’s situation and PLEASE TRY TO LEARN FROM OTHER’S MISTAKES Okay.
Bahrain is an islamic state with the openess of its lovely religion, but not as fanatic as Sudia Arabia.
Allah will protect Bahrain from such stupid people.
Best,
Your fellow
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Allah is only going to help those that help themselves. So unless the Bahraini people start taking some action against these “stupid people” Bahrain is getting what it elected and what it deserves.
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Ah, thanks for “coming out” I guessed from the moment I read your first comment is that you are a takfiri. And I was right. Now that we know that you are intellectually bankrupt, please do humanity a favour and crawl under a rock and stay there.
Next time you want to comment and engage in a discussion, be brave enough to sign in using your name and then we might want to engage in that discussion without you resorting to labelling people who don’t agree with you as kaffirs.
Creeping death
>>Can anyone suggest a country I might consider emigrating to that will allow me just to live my life without anyone imposing their interpretation of whatever religion on me and my family? A country that is tolerant that might appreciate its citizens and protect their freedoms, rather than one whose parliament has made it its mandate to rule by and from pulpits?<< A country which is tolerant, appreciates and protects their citizens' freedoms without anyone imposing their interpretation of religion on you and your family?? I strongly recommend taking the U.S. off your list of places to migrate to. Their freedom is all hype these days.
Re: Creeping death
And you are most welcome to pack your fucking bags and depart the shores of the USA from the nearest Bus Depot, Port or Airport. In fact if you loath the US that much then put your money where you mouth and please vacate The US does not need or want people with your attitude.
Re(5): Creeping death
Read Unitl Allah gives command and so it is explaned in the second verse, please when you read be ready to understand that some verses are based on other times than other ones,
Quran is not an ordinary book but one that is so complicated that in can not be read lineary to understand it. Take like in math the isse y=ax+b it is impossible to solve a 5th grade parabolic figure the same you do the original
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posted by mahmood malik
Re(6): Creeping death
[quote]please when you read be ready to understand that some verses are based on other times than other ones,[/quote]
Certainly. I recognize that the commandment to kill nonbelievers and to slaughter infidels were given long after the ‘no compulsion in religion’ verses. Allah liked to abrogate things to suit Mohammed’s needs, you know.
[quote]Quran is not an ordinary book but one that is so complicated that in can not be read lineary to understand it.[/quote]
Because it was not written by God, it was written by man. But then again, how do you explain the verses that claim that the Koran is ‘clear’? It cannot be complex and clear unless it is schitzophrenic, which, sadly, the Koran is to a definition.
–Ethan
Creeping death
Why are people taking all this so personally. I think Dubai, UAE would be a good place for you to come and stay. Not that I have the right to invite people here (considering that I am not from here).. but I like how they have been able to maintain some of the Islamic culture while continuing a strong capitalistic view of the world. I certainly wouldn’t advise you to live anywhere near the border with Sharjah… but yeah, Dubai is great!
Mohamed Elzubeir