So what’s new? You actually expected that the “summit” which was held today in Egypt to actually result in anything other than this? If you answered yes, then you have an awful lot to learn about us Arabs, and you will need a couple of lifetimes to catch-up. No. Nothing was expected of them.
1. They have never, ever, held a single position, not even in existential matters.
2. They will never, ever, hold a single position.
3. They wait for a few days to hold their “emergency” summit, while the whole world has already held their’s!
4. When they finally do meet, we get disperate position, views, and what’s left is simple posturing. What for, I have no faintly idea.
“The Middle East peace process has failed,” said Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa. “We are going to the Security Council – this is a unanimous position – to discuss the whole situation from scratch.”
No kidding, really? You actually gave it a good go before your judgement that it has failed beyond belief? No way Amoor, please rethink your position… pretty pwease?
Moving on… we’re in a wrestling arena, and on the left we have:
“These acts will pull the whole region back … and we cannot simply accept them,” Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal told his counterparts, according to delegates who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the meeting.
Hezbollah’s attacks on Israel, including the capture of two Israeli soldiers Wednesday and rocket barrages, were “unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible acts,” one delegate said.
Supporting his stance were representatives of Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, he said.
While on the right:
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem emerged as the summit’s lead defender of Hezbollah, saying the guerrilla group carried out “legitimate acts in line with international resolutions and the U.N. charter, as acts of resistance.”
Representatives of Yemen, Algeria and Qatar lined up behind him.
Aha! Now we know where to draw the line then… can you read between the lines? What’s Al-Jazeera going to make of all of this then? Portray “la resistance” as the saviours of the day of course…
While 106 Lebanese human beings await a decent burial.
Rock on dudes!
Earlier, Lebanese Foreign Minister Fawzi Salloukh presented the meeting with a draft resolution condemning Israel’s military offensive and supporting Lebanon’s “right to resist occupation by all legitimate means” – language frequently used by Hezbollah to justify its guerrillas’ presence in south Lebanon.
Sorry, how many armies do you actually have, Lebanon? Make up your effing mind and either amalgamate all of these “resistance fighters” under your army’s banner or disband them. You are a sovereign nation, right? So what the hell are you doing allowing “resistance fighters” to “defend” the South? Isn’t that your army’s job?
‘course not… they’ve got the Joker of the pack and they shuffled the desk, and the Seniora government is as limp as a well cooked spegetti.
The draft, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, also demanded the release of Lebanese captives and detainees in Israeli prisons and supported Lebanon’s right to “liberate them by all legitimate means.”
Hang on a minute, does the Lebanese government have any leg to stand on with these demands? How about concentrating on stopping Israel chewing your country and spitting you out first? Isn’t that more important, and much more of an immediate requirement than worrying about prisoners? Leave those alone for the moment, they’re probably getting hummos and pita bread for their meals, which is wholesome enough…
Concentrate on disbanding Hizbollah, or integrate them within your regular army, get Israel to stop the shelling and raping your “sovereign” skies, land and sea, and then talk about everything else.
Lebanon today, feels like it has gone back 10 years, if not all the way back to 1982. Will they get another Hariri to stand up to the plate and fix things again? I really don’t think so, the one they have at the moment is nothing more than a Vogue magazine model, and like most models, you lose the respect you start to have for him once he opens his mouth.
Trust me. I’ve seen and heard the guy. He’s no Hariri, even though he carries the name.
God be with you Lebanon. You’ll be in my prayers.
Comments
Not that it matters much to the insanity that is the mastermind of Hezbollah, but Israel completely withdrew from Lebanon in 2000. This led to the international resolution in 2004 that told Hezbollah to disarm and stand down.
One might think that these militants don’t care about Lebanon, and only want to kill Jews as a religious obligation or something.
Let me see if I understand this..Israel pulls out of Lebanon completely but militants decided to attack Israel on the other side of the border…ok. Israel pulls out of the Gaza Strip completely but militants build a tunnel and decide to attack Israel on the other side of the border…
Well I am sure that the Israelis are really gonna want to pull out of any other land area and let the Arabs have it again.
One might think that these militants don’t care about Lebanon, and only want to kill Jews as a religious obligation or something.
As a religious obligation or something? I dont know where would you find that on Hezbollah’s agenda, plus explain to me what something means.
Mahmood, I want to reply to a different post you’ve posted before on your blog, the reason why I want to post it here instead of posting it on the original thread is to get a reply since that thread recieved more than 150 comments and im afraid you wont see mine.
You’ve mentioned that Hizbollah are trying to men? what else are they? They are the ones standing for our dignity that took us apart from each other in the last 50 years, they are the ones standing to protect *karamenta* or at least what is left of it. I am not a muslim nor jew, I am christian arab who lived in lebanon most of his life and seen the bad and the worst of the outcome of the war, do I fully agree with hizbollah? no, but atleast i admire one thing about them, they dont give up to the aggressor, I find it really upsetting when a single party in the middle east try to releasae the arabs from Israeli prisons while most of our leaders go around fu*king bitches and dont give a darn about the the hell is going on.
Trust me, the reason i came to america is to practice my right as human being but im still proud of my arabian background, hell im 100% arabic and will still be.
Now tell me who cares about you or me? No one does but yourself, give me one leader in the mideast who ever tried to make equality amongst us? Let me guess that Suadi king who cant even read? or that cow-like egyption Hosney mubarak, or that Kind abdullah who cant pronounce Jordan correctly?
I, for one, know that hizbolah is on the right foot, no matter what kind of ability they have, nor their force is equavlent to the israeli military or not, they showed they are men and they proved it.
Where is our dignity when a lebanese child dies in front of the whole world and a scene of a woman crying and yet you are tell me they are trying to be men? I hope you dont take this post personaly as I know you are a pretty understanding person.
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Now i thought you hate islamic fundamentalists and mujahideen?
you are a secular half arab, yes? so why the change of heart?
or do u just hate the shia people like hizbollah?
peace out…
Mahmood:
You seem quite disgusted with the Arab summit, expecting nothing, and asserting to think otherwise indicates “you have an awful lot to learn about us Arabs, and you will need a couple of lifetimes to catch-up”.
Now (alas) I only have one lifetime, but I am old enough to vividly remember the August 1967 meeting in Khartoum. There and then, the Arab states were united, and not behind a single position but a triple position: no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel.
Viewed from the perspective of the era of the “three no’s”, the discussions and disagreements aired in public (the Saudis!) are an indication of such progress, such movement in the past 40 years, that I could almost be hopeful of some kind of future for the Middle East.
Thank you for writing an interesting blog.
Mahmoud, I think you are very courageous to speak up. In this whole ‘us versus them’ drama that we’re witnessing, it’s easy to set up camp completely and frame everything in black and white. There are some guilty parties, and some more guilty than others, but you made some very honest inward looking points and within this ‘drama’ (not intended to diminish the sadness that’s going on right now), you will be expected to join one camp or another. You’re a smart enough person to know, you belong in neither of them, and neither do most people.
I quoted from this post and referenced/linked to your site.. I have a feeling you’ll be writing a few more of these. Keep them coming inspite of the criticisms.
Ingrid
I was wondering what your stance would be on this and I’m really proud to see that it is what it is. Like Ingrid says, you are very courageous to take a stand because so many aren’t – except when it comes to violence and hate.
It is sad for me to see what is happening in Beirut. I went there last year about this time and loved the country, the people and the atmosphere. I can hardly believe what is happening but am not surprised. I believe it was only a matter of time until Hizbollah carried out this offensive.
I’ve been reading another blog about this and it says that the Israeli’s have been preparing for this… they pretty much knew that Hizbollah was getting ready for something but weren’t sure when it would happen.
Whether Hizbollah is right or wrong, whether the Arab league decides that its Hizbollah’s fault or not, that is no longer the issue. What is going on in Lebanon is inhumane and despicable. And it is amazing that the western world is going to sit by and watch Israel destroy the country and the Lebanese people, because it had a right to defend itself. This is not defense. This is revenge, genocide.
Shame on the civilized world.
First of all regarding the other post, Lebanese themselves are one against Israel be them christians or muslims, yet the arab are blaming hizbollah, first of all stop the massacres then point the fingers later on. Lebanon is being ravaged by those Israelis and even the Lebanese christians are standing with hizbollah from a defensive point of view, to defend their country.
Regarding this one, the arab leaders know nothing but to sit in summits all year long and eating mechabees and ghoozis.
Mahmood:
You’ve hit upon several key points here:
First, Hezbollah are effectively a state-within-a-state; they can attack Israel more or less indiscriminately, knowing that any Israeli response is more likely to affect Lebanon and Lebanese than Hezbollah. Hezbollah itself, if things get too hot, will simply decamp to Syria, or even to Iran, to regroup and plan their next attack, leaving the hapless Lebanese to sort through the wrecked infrastructure left behind by Israeli jets and tanks.
What does this tell us, ultimately? For one thing, it tells us that Hezbollah–this may enrage some of your readers–doesn’t give a damn about ‘Palestinians’, or ‘Arabs’, or ‘Lebanese’. They exhibit no concern whatever for anything other than their obsession with destroying Israel, and if a bunch of fellow-Arabs have to die in the process–oh, well! Can’t make an omelette without, and all that.
To me, this is evil by any standard: Christian, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, whatever. If you and I have a quarrel, I don’t go grabbing the nearest bystander, hide behind him while shooting at you, and dare you to blow the hapless fellow away in order to get at me. I can understand ‘stand up resistance’, but not this cowardice. Heck, even the Taliban, whom I despise, have the guts to fight their own battles without using innocents as shields.
Which leads me to another thought: why, oh why are Arabs their own worst enemies? I’m not being facetious, but the much touted ‘Arab solidarity’ is non-existent, and not only are Arabs suffering under the regimes of tyrants, as in Syria, but so soon as those tyrants are disposed of, instead of seizing the chance for peaceful democracy, various groups appear to go completely mad and commence butchering each other far more thoroughly than any foreign power ever has. Look at Iraq: Hussein was tossed, free elections held, and now there’s a virtual civil war between Sunni and Shia, both sides committing atrocities that’d probably have delighted Saddam’s heart.
This has nothing to do with ‘British’ or ‘Americans’. There is something seriously wrong in the cultural assumptions being made here, and it leads to the widespread slaughter of Muslim by Muslim, and Arab by Arab. It’s tragic beyond words, and has zero to do with ‘Zionist entities’, much less ‘infidel intervention’. I have no idea what the solution might be.
Last, you correctly assess that the various states’ leaders have done piss-all to end the conflict. No accident, this: various Mideastern nations have quite clearly tried to keep the Palestinian-Israeli conflict at full boil for decades: it provides a lovely way to direct their own populations’ anger at the lack of freedom, economic imbalance, etc away from the rulers, and toward ‘evil Zionists’. When one wants to keep power over a lot of unhappy people, what better way than to blame someone else for all their woes? If any Arab nation had truly given a fig about the Palestinians’ plight, just think what all that oil money–trillions of dollars–could have built by now. A mere fraction of all the money spent on palaces and freebies could long since have given the Palestinians a decent infrastructure, good education, start-up funds for factories and other enterprises, etc.
So I’m not surprised that the PA languishes, Hezbollah prospers, and nothing moves forward. Arabs appear to be their own worst enemy at the moment, and I think the entire region–with a few exceptions–has been incredibly badly served by leaders who would rather fund terror than make peace, want to keep the conflict going, aren’t interested in true democracy, and who preside over sectarian violence which seems to be tearing the region apart.
I can only say this: ultimately, any change must come in the heart: it’s nothing to do with ‘outsiders’ or ‘Zionist entities’, and everything to do with changing attitudes….
That the Lebanese government does not control its southern border—while obviously Hezbollah does—negates the impact of Lebanon’s protest against Israel’s actions.
If a people, the Lebanese, are not sovereign within their own nation, then their nation has a much diminished standing at the United Nations, where 191 sovereign nations consider the latest news of the continuing and escalating suicidal politics of the Middle East.
That Hezbollah refuses both to disarm or to become part of the regular army of Lebanon, which means that they would be sworn to protect and defend the people of Lebanon, strongly suggests that Hezbollah’s actions—and especially its political goals—are completely contrary to the best interests of the people of Lebanon. Perhaps because the Lebanese people are not sovereign in all parts of their country, one reads nothing coming out of Lebanon addressing the key issue:
Since the Lebanese people, their government and their sworn army are so glaring not in charge of the entire nation, exactly who is sovereign in Lebanon? Hezbollah? Assad in Damscus? Khameni in Tehran? One can not help but think that this EXACTLY what the latest warfare is all about: Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah, arrayed against Israel, are reshaping sovereignty in the Cedars of Lebanon.
‘Be free.’
Eric, this is no longer an issue of Arabs being responsible for their actions or not. Can you deny that Israel is punishing the Lebanese people collectively, with the backing of Western powers? When Bush says that the Israelis have the right to defend themselves until the two kidnapped soldiers are returned, isnt that a declaration on his part worthy of trying him as a war criminal? Basically, he said that Israel can keep killing civilians until Hizbollah return the soldiers. Isnt that the implication? Where on earth is it allowed to punish a people collectively for the actions of a single group?
Whether Arabs are responsible for every evil in the world or not, does that make Israel’s actions now any more justifiable? The Israeli attack on citizens, infrastructure and any accessible target, is unjustifiable whatever the cause.
Just because Bush doesn’t back Hezbollah isn’t a reason to hold him up as a war criminal. I do think that Arabs need to be responsible. So many ppl blame the West if they get involved and then blame the West if they don’t get involved. Now… they’re involved and are being blamed.
I don’t think that the Israeli’s are trying to kill Lebanese citizens… I just don’t think it’s about that.
In saying this.. I disagree w/ what is happening on both sides. War is never the solution. Violence is never the solution. Revenge is never the solution.
Frankly speeking, to resolve the issue; the events as happend are:
1. Israel still occupies Shaba’a Farms region, which is part of the Lebanese territory.
2. Israel still holds more than 700 Prisoners of war, some served more than 24 years.
3. Israel does not want release the prisoners, and does not want to return the lands to their owners.
This is the bottom line, occupying force should expect anything…
“”Acts of opposition to foreign occupation are justified under international law.
The struggle against illegal occupation by the people of a country using “all necessary means at their disposal” has been supported by several United Nations resolutions that reflect the overwhelming consent of the international community.
Resolution 2908 (1972) for example, which included this language, was adopted by 99 votes for, to 5 against, and 23 abstentions.
Perhaps most clearly United Nations’ Resolution 2625 (24 October 1970), reflecting principles of customary international law, clearly states that people fighting against an illegal occupation “are entitled to seek and receive support.”” (Dr. Curtis F.J. Doebbler; Washington, D.C. USA).
NOW:
What Hisbullah did with the two solders is totally legitimate with these laws. The response of The Occupier is not. the response of Hisbullah to what the occupier did, is an act of defence. Full stop.
America by supporting Israel is putting it self in a very bad situation, as Iraqs are highly supportive of Hizbullah, anything happens to Hizbullah or its leader, may will affect its existance in Iraq.
Tooners, how is it that you think the Arabs taking responsibility for their sins right now changes the fact that Israel is killing civilians??? You dont think they’re killing civilians??? You dont have to think, you just have to turn on the TV and see charred bodies of men, women and children. Never heard of a soldier aged 4!!! My friends live in Beirut, and they’ve been hiding in their houses all over the city, while Israel bombs the hell out of them, and you dont think Israel is bombing civilians???? You dont think thats what its about??? What the hell is it about then, Tooners? Could it be that my friend, who works as a peace and human rights activist with one of the world’s top human rights agencies, is actually a terrorist militant, cause she was almost killed last night by an Israeli missile fired into the building next door????? Noooooooo, the Israelis arent killing citizens. They’re loving them to bits!
Lujayn wrote:
“Eric, this is no longer an issue of Arabs being responsible for their actions or not.”
Yes, that is EXACTLY what it is. Hezbollah and Hamas chose to make attacks into Israel; nobody put a gun to their collective head and made them do so. Hezbollah knows full well that Lebanon will bear the brunt of the Israeli attempt to free its soldiers; using Lebanon as a safe haven, despite the wishes of the Lebanese themselves, is a core part of Hezbollah’s strategy. It’s why you don’t find Hezbollah fighters attacking Israel from, say, the open deserts of the south–they know that the Israelis would be able to send them into the next world without incurring any disapproval from the rest of the world. By attacking Israel from amongst the Lebanese civilian population, Hezbollah effectively uses them as human shields, the bleats hypocritically when those same innocents are caught up in the Israeli response.
And that response, by the way, has been very measured. Israel has been at pains to avoid deliberately target civilians, concentrating on known Hezbollah weapons stockpiles, HQs, and residences, and disrupting Lebanese infrastructure along which their soldiers might be smuggled out of the country. Were it really Israel’s wish, as I’ve seen rather hysterically asserted, to ‘slaughter’ civilians, she would and could easily have done so. A few CBU’s over villages and cities would create mass death, or use of napalm, or even just large conventional bombs dropped at random.
Can you deny that Israel is punishing the Lebanese people collectively, with the backing of Western powers?
Easily. This is yet another example of the paranoia which appears to grip the Middle East and keeps it from ever solving its own problems. Let’s parse it:
Hezbollah and Hamas fire hundreds of rockets into Israel in the last year.
Israel does nothing. In fact, Israel gave back all of Gaza last year, only to see it used as a platform from which to launch even more attacks into Israel.
Israel then sees two successive acts of kidnap, the second of which was quite deliberately timed to provoke an Israeli response. If anything, Hezbollah is Lebanon’s enemy, not Israel.
Israel is then blamed for defending herself. Apparently, what Israel is supposed to do is this: sit back while her cities, towns and farms are rocketed and nutcases blow themselves up on her busses. She must not retaliate against those responsible, who hide themselvs, scumbag cowards that they are, among innocent civilians.
Israel should then continue the ‘peace process’ by making further concessions, which lead to more attacks, then more concessions, until she no longer exists. Right?
Sorry, Lujayn, the world no longer believes that the Palestinians, Hamas or Hezbollah have the slightest interest in peace. They want the Jooz dead or fled, period, end of story. They’ve been saying so for years, and now we believe them. Given that–an enemy who wants all Israeli Jews exterminated (after all, the trees will say ‘here’s a Jew behind me, come and kill him’, yes?) why shouldn’t they push back, hard? This is the sort of whiny, pathetic nonsense we’ve grown tired of hearing: some group of Arabs blow up a bunch of Israelis, then get their knickers in a twist when the Israelis respond, and run off to the UN wailing, ‘horrible Yids are attacking us!’ The song’s been played so many times nobody believes it anymore.
“When Bush says that the Israelis have the right to defend themselves until the two kidnapped soldiers are returned, isnt that a declaration on his part worthy of trying him as a war criminal?”
Yadda yadda yadda. I know, I know: them Jooz have no right to defend themselves, the scum! How HORRIBLE that they dare–stupid Yids–to retaliate for being rocketed over and over and over.
“Basically, he said that Israel can keep killing civilians until Hizbollah return the soldiers.”
Basically, he said no such thing. Where do you come up with this nonsense?
“Isnt that the implication? Where on earth is it allowed to punish a people collectively for the actions of a single group?”
Better get used to the fact that actions have consequences; it appears that the Lebanese, btw, are more angry with Hezbollah than with the Israelis. They, at least, seem to know who the perps are here. Oh, yeah: the Syrian military DID mobilize–in case you were wondering.
Whether Arabs are responsible for every evil in the world or not, does that make Israel’s actions now any more justifiable?
Certainly. When you’re facing an enemy who has sworn to kill you, your children, your relatives, the gloves must come off. You want to pick a fight with Israel, you’d best be sure you can stand up to them.
Nobody in the Mideast can. It’d be a lot more sane to seek peace, as Jordan and Egypt have, but I’ve never underestimated the power of hate to make people go insane. Ever seen ’28 Days Later’? THAT is precisely how more and more people, not just in the West, are viewing the Arab Mideast–in love with death and hate, afire with lust to kill, and now exporting murder to all parts of the world. It’s unfair, in a way, since I’m sure many in the Mideast just want to get on with life and probably don’t even give a toss about Israel (or the Palestinians) one way or the other. But the actions of the most notorious are coloring the entire world’s perceptions, to the point where if you are a fellow who looks ‘Arab’, you get double scrutiny at the boarding gate, and if you wander about a city street with a backpack, people tend to look sideways at you–and that’s the case from Bombay to Chicago.
Something is clearly very, very wrong, and only the Mideast can fix it.
I wish you all the best of luck. I wish you had ten million Mahmoods to lead the way. Then, the Mideast could be a truly open, civilized, world-beating region. The potential is there, in spades–wealth, educated citizens, etc–but the will to peace (amongst Muslims, for a start) appears to be lacking.
Meantime, the rest of the world sees the endless slaughter (and who kills more Muslims–Israel, or their own fellow Muslims?) and wonders ‘will this region EVER learn to live in harmony?’
I’m not trying to put anyone down here, but the Mideast’s problems can only be settled by making peace with Israel and by learning to live in peace with each other.
A few random facts:
1. Lebanon has no army
2. Hezballah did in fact attack first, capturing/killing 2 Israelis from their own soil but only because there are tens of thousands of Lebanese prisoners still in Israel.
3. Lebanon has no fighter planes
Eric, I’ve had this conversation before here with people that think like you here, and every time I think I might get through to someone that while we acknowledge our many faults as Arabs, it does not allow Israel and the US to act with impunity. I condemned Hizbollah’s actions from day one. I believed it was an utter mistake. That violence was not going to get anyone anywhere.
However, I cant accept that Israel, just because it didnt start this, is allowed to kill people indiscriminately! When I said Bush basically said that civilians would continue to get killed as long as Hizbollah didnt return the soldiers, it was the implication of his words. That he wouldnt condemn the Israeli attack because Israel had the right to defend itself? What do his words mean, exactly, then? That he wants Israel to stop bombing Lebanon? He didnt say the words, he implied them by his refusal to ask Israel to stop bombing Lebanon. I didnt come up with any nonsense.
You know what, Eric, I’m so tired of hitting my head against a wall here. I guess you wont see my point. If you cant believe that innocent people are getting killed in Lebanon, and that they’re targets in and unto themselves, then we can keep talking to eternity and not get anywhere. I might as well deny any Israelis got killed in Haifa, eh? We can all keep denying the other side is doing anything and this madness can continue. What a world, when being right matters more than people dying.
Eric Jacobson , israel has targeted bridges , civilian houses , busses carrying children and women , neighbourhoods etc. and they still dont target civilians ?
Yeah i forgot , Hizbollah fighters hide behind civilans !!
yeah , i heard the fighters came out of their fortified bunkers and lied down on bridges , on rooftops and on the streets with an X sign on them !
Do you people understand why there will never be peace with the Israelis ?
They shoots civilians , but according to israelis its always , and i mean always the arabs’ fault !
And Mahmood , its sad to see an arab asking the only resistance and self-dignity arabs have to disarm or join a non-existent army !
If you think by giving up weapons , israel will stop bullying the arabs … then you are a dreamer !
Lujayn, honestly, don’t think I could say anything more than Eric.
I don’t wan’t to get in to a war of words with you. I have my feelings and you have yours.
I disagree w/ what is happening in Beirut. I don’t believe in war. It doesn’t solve anything other than to kill innocent ppl. I don’t believe that violence leads to peace.
In saying this, I don’t believe that the ppl involved w/ Hezbollah know how to reach peace nor do they want to learn or go there. There are many many ME countries that could benefit from such peace but they turn a blind eye to such efforts and then choose to not involve themselves when war breaks out.
This is something that I don’t understand.
“I wish you had ten million Mahmoods ”
No thank you! 🙂 With all my respects to Mahmood, I wouldnt consider him the ideal benchmark, not that I am any better.
Mahmood can be very narrow minded at times, and resorts to foul language. 🙂 And though seemingly not very religious he does seem to have a bone to pick with his Wahabi brothers. As for his shia brothers, they might consider him the black sheep (at least that is what I was told).
So in summary….There are Men …and there are men.
Mahmood= not the ideal clone for arab world, let alone in his country Bahrain!
As we say in Arabic “What I mean is as clear as the sun”, with my respects to Mr. Mahmood (you are unique, ten million of you would do many of us a great injustice).
mahmood and any1 else who does not suppost hisballahs attack were they kidnapped 2 soldiers:
wen your country has hundreds of prisoners in another country trust me you would do anything to get them back.. israel holds hundred if not thousands of lebanese int here jails,, therefore hizbalah has every rite to attack and kidnap as many soldiers as they can in order to release there men.. plus even if lebanon is not occupied, but there sister muslims country palestine is!! and if your looking at it through islamic eyes every muslim should be fighting for its freedom..
mahmood i used to read ur blogs and respect your thoughts but after this blog walla 6e7t min 3eini!! i cant believe this is coming out of you..
Ah, so it’s turning into a personal attack now? Is that what Arabs are good for?
You don’t agree with my thoughts and positions is fine, it’s a start if it helps you define yours. But, do keep it at the thoughts and positions plain rather than the personal vindictive one.
Come on guys, leave your personal feelings at the door and put your intellectual thoughts and minds together to solve this problem; Israel is bad, and we are good no longer cuts it.
And please, don’t take my name in vain!
A thousand Arabs pride and dignity isn’t worth one dead Arab child. Nor a thousand Jews pride and dignity worth one dead Jewish child.
“And please, don’t take my name in vain!”
Do you apply the same golden rule when mentioning other peoples names?
See what I mean about not being the ideal clone 🙂
Relax.
Anon…It’s interesting that you say that Mahmood is a black sheep with the Shias. I must be a black sheep too, I feel the same way as he does … and I’m Shia. Sorry to tell you, but there are a lot more of us out there… more so than you realize.
By international agreement, Israel pulled out of all occupied territory in Lebanon in 2000. Shabaa farms belongs to Syria.
By Mahmood! If you’re going to critique, get the facts right, Anonymous.
(Sorry, Mahmoodski, I had to swear by your name :D)
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alfanan,
“I” didnt say Mahmood was a black sheep you should have noted that I added “at least that is what I was told”.
On a different note, and for for all I care, you could be the shepered of all the black sheep or you could be Robin Hood and those who feel like you could be your merry men (whose number would be SO much more than I realize).
“..and I’m Shia”. Well, me too 🙂
Enjoy your coffee and the sweet aroma.
Sweet Dreams too.
“Israel is bad, and we are good no longer cuts it.”
How about,
(a) “Israel is Good, and we are bad”
or
(b) “Israel is bad, and we are bad too”
or
( c ) “Vote for Mahmood” LOL
Problem solved? For all those who want their arguments to be valid choose (a) or (c). For those of you who chose (b), you are disqualified.
I vote for Mahmood! but not for a political position 😉 hehe
War is never the solution. Violence is never the solution. I don’t believe in war. It doesn’t solve anything other than to kill innocent ppl. I don’t believe that violence leads to peace.
Tooners;
How would have dealt with the Nazis, tooners? Do ya think that singing kumbaya would have been more effective?
And have you noticed how peaceful Germany and Japan are today?
Lujayne;
However, I cant accept that Israel, just because it didnt start this, is allowed to kill people indiscriminately If you cant believe that innocent people are getting killed in Lebanon, and that they’re targets in and unto themselves
As I understand it, Isreal is aiming for Hezbollah targets, like TV stations and such, as well as infrastructure used by Hezbollah. Israel is not indiscriminately firing at shopping areas, hospitals, or residential areas which are exclusively civilian. We all know that people not associated with Hezbollah are getting caught too, but how do you think Israel should deal with the Hezbollah attacks?
Let’s not forget that this started with Hezbollah attacking purely military targets – killing eight soldiers and kidnapping two. Its Israel that escalated it almost immediately by killing Lebanese civilians. The Israelis may have issued press releases saying that they are ‘targetting Hezbollah’ when they carry out their airstrikes on residential areas but this is mendacious double-talk employed to justify the tactics of terror.
What do you expect when Hezbollah HAS no military infrastructure of its own – no bases, no vehicles, no nothing. They use civilian roads, civilian airports, and civilian places to move or store their equipment.
Israel withdraws from Lebanon and Gaza and soon both places are being used by Palestinian militants to fire rockets which end up bringing Israel back. How is that supposed to support the Palestinian cause?
To have peace..you need two sides committed to peace. If there is support for any “cause”..I hope someday it is that.
Lujayn said “When Bush says that the Israelis have the right to defend themselves until the two kidnapped soldiers are returned, isnt that a declaration on his part worthy of trying him as a war criminal?”
A war criminal? A war ciminal is someone who violates international law during a time of war. President Bush also asked Israel to back down from the offensive strikes into Lebanon..but I guess that doesn’t help you stay angry.
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