Saturday, with nothing better to do other than pottering in the garden and in the depths of the folders and documents I have in this computer. Lo and behold what I found: my full name!
Ready, deep breath and read this (this is going to be my full email address at gmail too):
السيد Ù…ØÂمود بنالسيد ناصر بنالسيد Ù…ØÂمد بنالسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد يوس٠بنالسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد بنالسيد عليبنالسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد سالم بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد بنالسيد عبدالله بنالسيد إسماعيل بنالسيد ØÂسنبنالسيد سالم بنالسيد إبراهيم بنالسيد عليبنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد بنالسيد سالم بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد بنالسيد جعÙÂر بنالسيد موسى بنالسيد إبراهيم بنالسيد صالؠبنالسيد علويبنالسيد قاسم بنالسيد هاشم بنالسيد مساعد بنالسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد ØÂسنبنالسيد سليمانبنالسيد إدريس بنالسيد يعقوب بنالسيد شري٠بنالسيد يوس٠بنالسيد ناصر بنالسيد ØÂسنبنالسيد Ù…ØÂمد الأعرج بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد بنالسيد موسى المبرقع بنالإمام Ù…ØÂمد الجواد (ع) بنالإمام عليالرضا (ع) بنالإمام موسى الكاظم (ع) بنالإمام جعÙÂر الصادق (ع) بنالإمام Ù…ØÂمد الباقر (ع) بنالإمام عليزينالعابدين(ع) بنالإمام الØÂسينالشهيد (ع) بنالإمام أبو الأئمة عليبنأبيطالب (ع) زوج ÙÂاطمة (ع) بنت رسول الله صلى الله عليه Ùˆ آله Ùˆ سلمand now in English:
Sayyid Mahmood bin sayyid Nasser ibn sayyid Mohammed ibn sayyid Hussain ibn sayyid Yousif ibn sayyid Hussain ibn sayyid Ahmed ibn sayyid Ali ibn sayyid Hussain ibn sayyid Salem ibn sayyid Ahmed ibn sayyid Abdullahibn sayyid Ismael ibn sayyid Hassan ibn sayyid Salem ibn sayyid Ibrahim ibn sayyid Ali ibn sayyid Ahmed ibn sayyid Salem ibn sayyid Ahmed ibn sayyid Ja’afar ibn sayyid Mousa ibn sayyid Ibrahim ibn sayyid Saleh ibn sayyid Alawi ibn sayyid Qassim ibn sayyid Hashim ibn sayyid Musa’ed ibn sayyid Hussain ibn sayyid Hassan ibn sayyid Sulaiman ibn sayyid Idris ibn sayyid Yaqoub ibn sayyid Sharif ibn sayyid Yousif ibn sayyid Nasser ibn sayyid Hassan ibn sayyid Mohammed Al-A’arajibn sayyid Ahmedibn sayyid Mousa Al-Mubarga’a ibn Imam Mohammed Al-Jawad (AS) ibn Imam Ali Al-Ridha (AS) ibn Imam Mousa Al-Khadhem (AS) ibn Imam Ja’afar Al-Sadeq (AS) ibn Imam Mohammed Al-Baqer (AS) ibn Imam Ali Zain Al-‘Abideen (AS) ibn Imam Hussain the Martyr (AS) ibn Imam Ali ibn Abi Taleb (AS) married to Fatima (AS) bint (daughter of) the Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him and them.
So my children are the 51st generation after the revered Prophet peace be upon him.
What history!
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sayyid Mohammed Al-A’araj.. lol 😆
NO NO NO
We meet in OUR great great great great grandfather who is Imam Mousa Al-Khadhem PEACE BE UPON HIM,
No really which is a funny fact to know i guess
well ok i know I’m being lame again, ok you can delete this comment i just wanted to point out that we are related i guess somehow.
I’m sorry for it but i guess you have to live with the fact that I’m related to you some how.
:dizzy:
SO SORRY
One more question if it is not too much to ask
Well….. i just wanna ask if i can trace my family blood line like you did there..
Becasue it is interesting to know where you come from, for me.
once i remember i went with my father to one of our distant relatives house and he had this chart in the form of a tree with his family tree goes all the way back to Imam Ali (AS), the grandfather held me and he said in a our ancient Bahraini accent that our family and his family meet some where on one the family tree branches, since that the i want to know my faily history but i don’t know how.
Well help me please?
i tried asking old men but i didn’t work out. they keep on forgetting stuff and argue all the time within them selves.
hmm, let’s think of it this way.. If we discount your children and yourself, leaving us with 49 grandfathers of yours.. bearing in mind that the prophet (pbuh) was born sometime between 570-571 A.D..
-2007 =1437 years in difference, if we divide that on to 49 = 29!
So historically speaking, AlYousif family conceives a “Crown Prince” once every 29 years!
Some information about your family and relatives, you are from Mubaraz Al Hasa
العوائل المنØÂدرة منالسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد سالم بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد الØÂسينيوهم منأشهر عوائل السادات ÙÂيالأØÂساء:
الراهيم ÙÂيقرية الجبيل
الهاشم ÙÂيقرية الجبيل
الصالؠÙÂيالمبرز والهÙÂÙˆÙÂ
اليوس٠ÙÂيالمبرز
الأØÂمد ÙÂيالمبرز
الØÂسنÙÂيالمبرز
العليÙÂيالمبرز
الهاشم ÙÂيالمبرز
أولاً بالنسبة Ù„ (آل هاشم ÙÂيالأØÂساء)
عائلة كبيرة ومتÙÂرعة تعود للسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد سالم بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد الØÂسينيالذييتÙÂرع منه الهاشم والبراهيم ÙÂيقرية الجبيل والصالؠوالأØÂمد واليوس٠والهاشم والعليوالØÂسنÙÂيالمبرز …. أما بخصوص علاقتهم ببنيخالد ÙÂقد كانالسيد ØÂسنبنالسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد سالم بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد الØÂسينيوزير ونائب الشيخ Ù…ØÂمد آل عرعر ÙÂيذلك الوقت ولم يكنلقبه اليوس٠، لأنهذا اللقب خاص بأØÂد الÙÂروع التيتعود للسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد سالم المذكور منغير السيد ØÂسنالمذكور.
وشيوخ قرية الجبيل منهذه الأسرة هم على النØÂÙˆ التالي:
1- السيد ØÂسنبنالسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد سالم بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد الØÂسيني(الوزير المذكور أعلاه) وكانيلقب بالبخينق لأنه كانيغطيوجهه ببخنق (برقع) ØŒ وكانيسمى (معشيالطرÙÂØ©) لقصة معروÙÂØ© عنكرمه رØÂمه الله ØŒ وقد كانلهذا السيد الجليل الدور العطيم والكبير ÙÂيجمع كلمة الشيعة والسنة ÙÂيالأØÂساء ÙÂيذلك الØÂين، وقد عاش ÙÂيما بينالنص٠الثانيمنالقرنالثانيعشر والنص٠الأول منالقرنالثالث عشر.
2- السيد Ù…ØÂمد بنالسيد ØÂسنالمذكور
3- السيد ابراهيم بنالسيد Ù…ØÂمد المذكور ØŒ وهو شخصية عظيمة ومرموقة وكانله دور سياسيأساسيوكبير ÙÂيالأØÂساء وقد عاش مابينالنص٠الثانيمنالقرنالثالث عشر والنص٠الأول منالقرنالرابع عشر الهجري… ومنهذا السيد الجليل ينØÂدر السادة البراهيم ÙÂيقرية الجبيل ØŒ أما أسر الهاشم ÙÂيقرية الجبيل ÙÂينØÂدرونمنأخيه السيد هاشم ØŒ وهو الآخر كانله مكانة مرموقة وعظيمة. علماً بأنالغالب منالسادة البراهيم ÙÂيالجبيل تØÂول لقبهم ليصبؠالهاشم بدلاً منالبراههبم ولم يبقى منهم منيØÂمل لقب البراهيم إلا أربعة بيوت ÙÂقط وهم أبناء السيد ابراهيم بنالسيد عبد الله بنالسيد ابراهيم بنالسيد Ù…ØÂمد بنØÂسنبنالسيد ØÂسينبنالسيد سالم بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد الØÂسيني.
4- السيد عبد الله بنالسيد ابراهيم المذكور ، وكانلا يقل شأنعنوالده وعمه.
5- السيد ابراهيم بنالسيد عبد الله المذكور ØŒ تولى عمودية الجبيل أكثر من40 عاماً ØŒ وهو لا يزال ØÂياً ØÂتى يومنا هذا.
ثايناً بالنسبة (لعائلة العبد المØÂسن) ÙÂيالأØÂساء
هذه الأسرة تنØÂدر منالسيد صالؠبنالسيد سالم بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد الØÂسينيالمشار إليه أعلاه ØŒ علماً بأنهذه الأسرة جلها انتقل منقرية الجبيل إلى قرية القارة ÙÂيالقرنالثالث عشر والقرنالرابع عشر الهجريوقسم منهم بقوا ÙÂيقرية الجبيل إلى يومنا هذا … علماً بأنالمقولة التيتقول بأنأصلهم منالقارة غير صØÂÙŠØÂØ© البتة .. وهذا ما أتثبته صكوك عقاراتهم وأملاكهم ووجود بيتهم القديم ØÂتى يومنا هذا ÙÂيقرية الجبيل ØŒ وقد استلموا مشيخة القارة منذ ذلك الØÂين… وأصل أسم هذه العائلة هو (بنمØÂسن) نسبة إلى جدهم الجامع لكل ÙÂروعهم السيد Ù…ØÂسنبنصالؠالجبيليالØÂسينيوليس العبد المØÂسن، ولكنجرى تصØÂي٠على هذا الإسم قبل ØÂواليأربعة عقود ÙÂقط ØŒ علماً بأنعائلة آل صالؠÙÂيالقارة ÙÂرع منعائلة البنمØÂسن(العبد المØÂسن)
ونذكر ألقابهم التيتØÂول بعضها قبل عهد قريب إلى (العبد المØÂسن)
1- المØÂسن…. وهذا هو اللقب الأصليلهذه العائلة … وقد بقيمنهم ÙÂقط بيت واØÂد يعرÙÂونبالمØÂسنÙÂيالقارة إلييومنا هذا.
2- الهاشم ÙÂيالقارة ØŒ ولا يزال بعضهم يعر٠بهذا الإسم.
3- الÙÂنديÙÂيالقارة ØŒ تØÂول هذا الإسم إلى العبد المØÂسن.
4- الشر٠ÙÂيالقارة ØŒ وقد تØÂول هذا الإسم إلى العبد المØÂسن.
5- الØÂجيÙÂيالقارة ØŒ وقد تØÂول هذا الإسم إلى العبد المØÂسن.
6- الصالؠÙÂيالقارة ØŒ ولا يزال هذا الإسم إلى يومنا هذا.
7- الØÂسينÙÂيالجبيل ØŒ وقد تØÂول هذا الإسم إلى العبد المØÂسن.
ثالثاً : السادة (الدريس) ÙÂيقرية البطالية بالأØÂساء:
هؤلاء السادة أيضاً يعود نسبهم إلى هذه الأسرة.
رابعاً نسب السيد سالم الØÂسينيالمذكور الجد الجامع للعوائل المشار إليها أعلاه:
هو السيد سالم ابنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد ابنالسيد عبد الله ابنالسيد إسماعيل ابنالسيد ØÂسنابنالسيد سالم ابنالسيد ابراهيم ابنالسيد عليابنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد ابنالسيد سالم ابنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد ابنالسيد جعÙÂر ابنالسيد موسى ابنالسيد ابراهيم ابنالسيد صالؠابنالسيد علويابنالسيد قاسم ابنالسيد هاشم ابنالسيد Ù…ÙÂسَاعÙÂد ابنالسيد ØÂسينابنالسيد ØÂسنابنالسيد سليمانابنالسيد إدريس ابنالسيد يعقوب ابنالسيد شري٠ابنالسيد يوس٠ابنالسيد ناصر بنالسيد ØÂسنبنالسيد Ù…ØÂمد الأعرج بنالسيد Ø£ØÂمد بنالسيد موسى المبرقع بنالإمام Ù…ØÂمد الجواد بنالإمام على الرضا بنالإمام موسى الكاظم بنالإمام جعÙÂر الصادق بنالإمام Ù…ØÂمد الباقر ابنالإمام زينالعابدينعليابنالØÂسينابنعليابنأبيطالب عليهم السلام.
The name theme takes a nasty turn there from “Zain Al Abideen” and dives into “Al Araj” and “Al Mbraqa3”. Then its back to normal, “Salem” and “Mousa.”
Colorful history.
Didn’t know you were sayed Mahmood ! from now on I’ll address you as Sayed in the bloggers meeting 😉
I hate it when people address me as Sayed whenever they speak to me, i get this feeling that they are talking about some old man with 3mama on his head sitting on a munber, i shout out just call me my name that is why I’ve been giving one you know.
And it gets really confusing when I’m my brothers and cousins and someone shouts out “SAYEDOOO” we all response which happens every year and i find really funny.
But after all who am I kidding I’m Proud of being who I’m.
You are very lucky Mahmood, to be a descendant of the prophet
والنعم…
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It would be my honour to be called a sayyid of course, but I tend to leave that only to formal occasions!
I too wonder about that mbarga’a and a’araj ancestors, is it that one was a pirate and the other, erm, had some sort of skin ailment? Ah, well, can’t change history now so I’ll take them as they are, thanks very much.
I have no idea how you would go about researching your family’s history; if your family is anything like mine, they would have all of your ancestors documented in The Big Book of the family or something like that. Ask the elders, they would love to chat about this sort of thing.
You could even by a genealogy program to start your own research. I could show you how our family tree looks like, but it would take a few wall-sized papers to print out!
Anyway, it was fun looking this stuff up.
Now to normal programming, one in which I answer to Mahmood, Abu Arif or sometimes even just ‘Oi would do!
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Thanks very much for this very explanatory comment cousin. Much appreciate it.
Genealogy is certainly a very deep investigative work, if not a science in itself.
:ninja:
نعم العائلة والنسب
Well.. that will make me a distant cousin too! lol
Least through my grandma on my dad’s side… woohooo!
Hold on, in that case, if I understand things correctly, isnt there something somewhere that says people should listen to us descendents of the prophet?! Hrmm…..
And a second thought that’s slightly worrying… knowing how many descendents of the prophet there are… not a very genetically varied pool is it? And this has been going on for over 1400 years!!! and they wonder why we have so many genetical disorders!
Sayid Mahmood, because of them we love you and mind you I am not Shia. We love Hassan and Hussein more than our children and their Offspring the Masters of this Ummah. 💡 The bloodshed in Iraq is an affornt to their scrifice 😳
in bahrain, is “Sayyid” called for specific people? ’cause here in Oman only the Royal Family holds the title “Sayyid” for its members, and no one else can hold it.
In Bahrain Sayyid is usually used for decendants of the Prophet Mohammed.
In reply to “What’s your name?”
Just remember the line from “Pulp Fiction” http://imdb.com/title/tt0110912/ : “I’m an American, honey. Our names don’t mean shit.”
I am also a decendant, but from my mother’s mother’s mother. So, i cannot carry the Sayed title. But hey, i am proud, and honored, to be a decendant.
Mahmood, how did you trace your family roots?
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Ah, then you’re Mirza Salman!
How I traced it? I didn’t, my cousins did all the research. But you will find that all Sayyids have their name registered and their lineage attested to (to keep out the wannabes and riffraff!) since Imam Zain Al-Abideen I guess.
I even got a very old paper from my grandfather (rest his soul) with all this lineage not just written, but stamped with very official looking stamps attesting to the paper’s authenticity.
I’m pretty sure that I have that paper in a very safe place… so safe I can no longer find it! But I don’t have to as the original is in the family vault anyway.
And what do you make of the authorities removing Sayed from our names when we go to renew our passports, driving licenses, tracking .. erm.. smart cards, etc?
I now have only one Sayed in my name left .. which I think will disappear when I renew my passport next time!
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Insist. You should be the only person who decides how your name is to appear and what you should be called. Apart from that being your basic right.
????
CWT
Many people love the Prophet and his family more than themselves, and i am happy to say i am one of those people.
Why not love those who have sacrificed for you to live with freedoms today? Who stood up for Islam to carry on, and not crumble on the hands of the tyrants?
They are role models, and we should be thankful for having people who were selfless, and thought of us first, before themselves.
Mahmood, I am very impressed with your lineage, but you are hardly in an exclusive club.
Let’s do the math. The Prophet lived, say, 1,450 years ago. Since the average geneartion is about 20 years, then 1,450 years means about 72 generations. Let’s say every genration had only 2 children. I did this on my calculator, and you need to use powers for this, in other words, starting with 2, you just go 2XX=======, . So after about 20 generations, you have over a million Sayeds. After 30 generations, you have over 1 billion, after 40 generations you have over 500 billion Sayeds, after 41 genrations you have one trillion Sayeds, and my calculator just gave up after 45 generations, somewhere in the region of a few quadrillion people. Boy, Mahmood, you sure have a lot of company. And that’s only after 45 generations! If we do this up to 72 generations, we end up with some pretty fantastic numbers.
Come on Mahmood, you are a modern, enlightened, self-critical man. By your own admission, your pride should be in your education, your liberal thought, your literary courage, not in reproducing this archaic and unsubstantaited information.
Perhaps I am missing something. Can you enlighten me? Can so many people trace their roots back to the Prophet?
can we talk… ❗
To be a good Muslim you have to love unconditionally the Prophet and the Massenger of Allah, Peace and Blessing of Allah be upon him. The Prophet told us that Hussein is part of him and Allah loves those who love Hussein.
ØÂسينمنيوأنا منØÂسين، Ø£ØÂب الله منأØÂب ØÂسيناً، ØÂسينسبط منالأسباط
He also told us that:
هذانابنايوابنا ابنتي، اللهم إنيأØÂبهما ÙÂØ£ØÂبهما وأØÂب منيØÂبهما
And سبط means tribe and Sayed Mahmood is from the tribe of Hussein and for that we love Hassan and Hussein and their offspring more than our children unreservedly.
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Considering that I am from the 50th generation and there are about 6 billion souls on this Earth, maybe you should get some new batteries for your calculator.
There is nothing wrong with people having pride in their lineage, what becomes wrong is if you use that lineage or religious precepts as an excuse to hold on to positions which cannot be substantiated by the application of logic and modern thinking.
One trillion Sayed’s?
China and India are going DOWN baby! Open up the sweatshops!
Oh My you are all so lame! Did you know I’m from Jesus’ bloodline?! and Robin Hoods! Even the Evil Sea Witch Ursulla…she’s a distant cousin and Mother Theresa peaces of dirt be upon her! Wow the prophet must have been a very unattractive man…and Mahmood’s related to Saddam Hussein too…and the king of Jordan!! Congrats….as well as every other villager, street cleaner and bank clerk who claim to be decsendants!
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Al-Etriy, jealousy won’t get you anywhere! 😆
you brag, you brat, you do not even say your 5 prayers, yet you claims such ratios, which bring you even more shame than repute.
Please dont steal my name to make accusations at other people.^^
Actually…. why the hell would you even steal my nick to say anything in the first place? Mahmood, you mind banning that IP?
Sorry for multiposting but this got me riled up, I don’t know how many times this character has used my name to put words into my mouth… but its identity theft nonetheless, and now that its happened to me it seems that its relatively easy to do on the blog Mahmood. Do you think you can institute some sort of username/password system to create accounts for posting on the site?
I don’t know what this person has said before, I can’t self moderate since I’m not always on the site, and its actually quite embarrassing that he/she is using my name to slander you, the site, or anything else.
You spend your days drinking and bashing everything non-secular and you want us to pat you on the back for being a descendant of the Prophet?
Get back into your cage..
Family histories and genealogical trees are notoriously inaccurate. If you want a more scientific test to check your ancestry (or at least to know where your ancestors lived in ancient times) you may want to invest in a DNA trace, like the one offered by this company.
And by the way, Mahmood, although you and other ‘believers’ keep referring to one, in fact there are no Gods (not one, not many); therefore I feel obligated to note that referring to it/them is a factual misrepresentation.
NeoAgnostically,
JJ
Mahmood,
Interestingly… I remember reading about this calculation done at one point, basically proving that all of us are directly related to many famous people throughout history, based on current population figures, and estimated ones before.
The heart of the calculation is that since there are 6 billion people on the planet today, if no we were all completely unrelated to such famous people, that number would be much much bigger, but that since there are only this small amount, (6 billion vs 500 billion), many of us who today seem completely unrelated can probably trace our ancestry to one common great-grand-father.
With that being said, I wouldnt be surprised if 70% of the gulf Arabs are decendants of prophet Mohammad. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of Americans today, are decendants of him, given that the spread of Islam reached many parts of Europe, whose decendants colonized the Americas later on.
(Same for other famous individuals). Some Arabs I have met look very oriental, and this can probably be traced to when Genghis Khan and his clan decided to conquor our part of the world. (Boy did he do a number on us).
-Ibn
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#32 actually belongs to:
IP: 72.232.228.114 who apparently hails from the zoo, but currently residing in United States using LAYERED TECHNOLOGIES INC to connect and has nothing to do with the real MoClippa who has totally different IP and location.
Actually, and manly-enough speaking, and without any schizophrenia, I reconfirm: you brag, you brat, you do not even say your 5 prayers, yet you claim such honorable ratios, which, being unearned, bring you even more shame than repute.
And why on earth is the act of mentioning your nature without layers, or masks classifies one as hailing from the zoo, but you despite all your despicabilities, old and new, still hail from the Prophet – himself and no one else! By the way, this claim should also make you despicable to the very apes you die to please the most.
I do hope my schizophrenia would keep me on this, right track in postings to come, rather than make me deny this posting and the one before it.
1) you can love someone unconditionally, but that does not mean that you (do/have to) love them more than your children. you love your children unconditionally too, don’t you?
2) the prophet pbuh loved them so much because they were his flesh and blood. i see that as a lesson to treasure our own flesh and blood more and follow his example by loving our own children and grandchildren unconditionally, like he pbuh did. that does not mean that you don’t love his grandchildren and dont appreciate their sacrifices.
you need to subtract all the females out, because it’s only the children of the male sayed that are sayeds. and it cant be an average of 2 males each (4 children each) because that would be too high. when the base number goes down to 1.? (? = some fraction smaller tha 1), then the numbers will be reduced substantially.
the club will still have a large membership, but nowhere near as large as you predicted. if for example you used 1.5 (average 3 children each, half of them male) instead of 2 (average 4 children each, half of them male), and raised that to the power of 41, the result would be much less than what you came up with. sorry, but i have no calculator at hand to give you the answer myself.
don’t bother with average 2 children each, one of them male, because that would only provide you with ONE living sayid per generation, which is too low.
the children of a sayida are mirzas, but the children of a mirza are commoners, no title.
btw,
what is that poem that says something like:
laysa almarú man qal hatha asli wa fasli, bal almarú man qal ha anatha… or something along those lines.
actually, i don’t agree with the imposter moclippa’s sentiments or argument style or manners (lack of), but i would agree that it is one’s own accomplishments that should provide one’s sense of pride, rather than one’s ancestry. i mean it would be pretty sad if that were all one could put on a cv.
as for choosing how you write your name, can i choose to write my name anyway i see fit? with shaikh A bin shaikh B bin shaikh C and sayid A bin sayid B bin sayid C, doesn’t that say that some people are more equal than others based on their ancestry?
where does education and achievement fit into the picture? is doctor more important than shaikh or is shaikh more important than hajji? and if we have to ask that, doesn’t that weaken the argument FOR education and personal development. after all, you can never become a sayid.. or a shaikh..
i know.. i know.. wet blanket.. party pooper.. raining on parades.. yada yada yada.. i know..
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Actually it doesn’t bother me one bit. I don’t intentionally introduce myself as “Sayyid Mahmood” nor do I introduce myself as “bu Arif” but just “Mahmood” and that suffices plenty.
There are two reasons I’ve put this post up:
1. I keep losing this piece of paper, so I wanted a record and putting the information here is as good a place as others, and it engenders debate into the process.
2. I was making a political statement to bring people’s attention that regardless of who you descend from, and regardless of the pride you ascribe to that lineage, that does not give you (or your family/tribe/etc) any other rights than anyone else.
Think about it: if people’s claim to a throne is through religious connotations (God put us there) or the even much more dangerous ideology of “‘Ulu Al-Amr” then surely other groups will use their lineage to claim a throne by virtue of their lineage, some of whom can demonstrate their direct connection to the Prophet!
That’s why I explained this position earlier as:
Savvy?
Fancy getting a tattoo???
really cool that you have that piece of history in your grasp..most of us Americans dont have that luxury lol…..
have a great day and a better week !!!!
River
If you are really interested in the DNA of your ancestors, you could go and have a look on the Genographic Project:
This is really fun to do.
Jay Jerome, of course you can rely on certain documents: In Germany there is the “Gothaer” with its 4 volumes in which all descendants of German nobility are written down. Spain has something similar, and so do the British.
In my case I can trace my ancestors back on my mother’s side until 1648 (farther is impossible due to the fact that the 30 year long war between catholics and protestants torched up many churches where the documents were usually kept) and on my father’s side we have a crusader of the 13th century and find ourselves dating back to some even more ferocious Germanic tribesmen who believed they actually descended from the Asen and our family name is a direct reference on Wotan’s (= Odin’s) holy crows.
My best friend can trace himself back to the Anjou and William the Conqueror and his brother is one of the most distinguished heraldists and genealogists in Mexico.
I find it very intriguing and beautiful if someone knows where he or she comes from and I think Mahmood has every right to be proud.
On the other side, someone with a famous ancestor has to carry the heavy burden of make his or her ancestors proud and his descendants even more. Usually a family has its own written values and standards one has to stand up to and to live by. It does not give you the right to think of yourself of deserving more than others, but it demands the duty to become the best person you can ever be and excell in life and always being made accountable for your actions.
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I find it interesting that the very people who claim some sort of royalty or nobility just because they are decended from our Prophet Mohammed…are more than likely the very ones that do their best to make sure the most restrictive interpretations concerning women are the ones enforced as the “true” Islam..the “true” practice of the prophet.
If there was such a thing as “turning over in the grave”…I dare say our prophet would be spinning like a top…and forgive me God for using that analogy…but it best fits the crap that is churned out at Islam today…from the “sayyids” of the world.