No, not the jews. But far more important people represented by this learned gentleperson who thinks that Emiratis have the sun shining out of their arses so much that they have to nationally discriminate on who to bestow their precious nationality on.
Get a load of this shite:
While I disagree with the suggested Dubaian proposition that any person who has lived in the UAE more than 20 years should be issued a passport, I propose the following system for Naturalization.
Those Residing here for a Long time
1. All Arab, Pakistani, Baluchi and Muslim Residents of the UAE for the past 30 years whose naturalization would add very positively to the country.
2. All Bidoons are liable for Naturalization. These are basically people residing in the UAE with no passport, and no way to get one. Their origins can be confirmed through a chain of genetic tests.
3. Highly qualified (In the sciences, Engineering and Technical Vocations) Arab, Pakistani or Baluchi residents of the UAE for the past 15 years
4. Anyone who has served in the UAE military for the past 20 yearsMarriage to a local woman (Every child they have subtracts 1 year from the amount of years they have till the man gets a UAE citizenship)
1. Any National of a GCC country which is married to a local woman for 10 years
2. Any Arab, Pakistani or Baluchi who is married to a local woman for 20 years
3. Any Non-Arab, non-Pakistani, non-baluchi national who has been married to a local woman for 30 years.Abandoned Children
1. Any child below the age of 5 who has been orphaned whilst residing in the UAE, or abandoned children who can be proved to have been born in the UAE
Naturalization of Sunni Muslims must take a priority, we do not need to create a growing Shiia Muslim minority which would then probably cause the country problems as it has done in Iraq, Saudi, Bahrain and parts of Iran.
I am also in favour of issuing permanent residency to anyone living here more than 30 years and his first generation descendants (sons and daughters)
Emirates Memoirs
Sorry guys, I tried very hard to summarise this invaluable post, but I couldn’t. Every single point in it gets my blood boiling more, except for that gem that he proposes that for every child some unfortunate gets from an Emirati woman reduces his “waiting time” by one year. I guess some people are ready to have a real good go at it, let’s get a discount by marrying 4 Emirati ladies and set them up as a child production farm… all for the sake of getting a nationality?
These “Memoirs” should not get out of a boudoir and are most certainly demeaning to every single Emirati and Gulf National. And using women like that as well? Utterly disgusting.
If this person has anything to do with Emirati naturalisation laws, they can take their passport and shove it where the son don’t shine. And keep the change.
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The Chosen People
With all the due respect for the readers of this blog and its host. If the USA can have a brain dead president, what is wrong with a few brain dead Emirati?
I too liked the bit with each child getting the guy one year off towards citizenship… in mind it was clear what the man’s occupation would be day and night… yes, he ought to go for the parallel bit two, 4 wifes… what a merry lot, and think of all the diapers!
Why is it that have yet to hear something good about UAE citizens?
For their own sake I hope the Emirati women still know how to say “LA” and I do not mean Los Angeles.
c.o.
The Chosen People
Naturalization of Sunni Muslims must take a priority, we do not need to create a growing Shiia Muslim minority which would then probably cause the country problems as it has done in Iraq, Saudi, Bahrain and parts of Iran.
Dont you even dare to use my country as an example of problems between Sunni and Shiia, yes we have problems between the goverment and mostly the Shiaa part of the population,but me as a shi3i have not a single problem with any of my Sunni friends,wait, none of my Sunni brothers who i dont even call “Sunni” to start with, Bahrainis (atleast over 90% of the, excluding the goverment) dont descriminate between them selves as sinni or shi3i, we are all muslims and brothers. The only reason you mentioned that not because of problems in neighbouring countries which by the way its due to terrorist like Al Zargawi dickhead are blowing up innocent shiaa but because you’re are an ignorant cocky bitch.
The Chosen People
“Does giving passports to the bidoons, the orphans and the abandoned make your blood boil ? How about foreigners who serve in the army, doing backbreaking work to protect the country? Does the piss you off ? ”
Does putting babies on spikes bother you? Does dressing cats in zuit suits upset you? Does whisteling the alphabet make your blood boil?
Guys, isn’t it funny the fellow knew exactly what got us pissed? He accurately pinpointed it without any assistance… what does that tell you?
Mahmood, I started reading his column and smiled… the more I read the harder I laughed.
The Joker
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Well the top of your head certainly needs opened and the cement that fills it solid needs to be chipped away. Let me contribute a bit to that end:
I have a problem with every single brainfart you expressed, and not just about your “conclusion” (ha!) that I have a problem with you discriminating against the Shi’a. I don’t give a damn whether a person is Plutonian who believes in the rise of the occult, what I do care about however is the nondiscriminatory attitudes a person holds and defends and his openness. Discrimination is a disease that has hampered civilisations throughout history. Your own “thoughts” are ample example of that.
I am sure that the majority of Emiratis don’t hold your segregationist, discriminatory and downright rude ideas. At least we hope so and we await that confirmation from fellow Emiratis to refute your own pseudo-intellectual crap.
Unlike you, we in Bahrain embrace diversity. We always have, and always will. Of course we have problems, show me a society that is free of their own particular problems and I’ll show you a bunch of liars. The difference though is that we recognise these differences and work toward solving them, rather than categorise and pigeon hole human beings into what we regard as Bahraini-layered class system. No such thing exist here and because of our makeup it never will. Except of course if we get people like you, bin Laden wannabies.
And listen, you bin Laden wannabe, your master has proven how isolated his ideas not only made him but the whole 2 billion MUSLIMS, and we thought that for the last 4 years through soul searching and genuine attempts at rapprochement that we learnt more on how to value human life and how to find ways to live together and how to integrate into a world community, but you, oh no, it is the Uber-Emirati first and foremost and to hell with the rest.
Although I visit the Emirates once in a while and have complained on several occasions that it is a shame that we don’t see many Emiratis to interact with, I think if even a small proportion think like you, I thank my lucky stars that I haven’t met many.
Now do you feel the cement loosening a bit?
The Chosen People
Lets be honest, we know of the many problems the Shiia face in Bahrain, be it in the distribution of political power, wealth or national resources. Some of my Shiia Bahraini friends have expressed that they do not feel that they are being treated fairly there by the government. Resorting to personal attacks is unessecary, and the attempt to draw it up as Al-Qaedanistic is lame. I wish bin laden and zarqawi the depth of hell. I have yet to find anything useful or substanstial in any arguments above which were directed at me, stating why I was wrong other that the tried to death “you are racist “. If I am wrong, then prove to me with historic examples, how would the Naturalization of Shiia benefit the country? What I said, made sense and it hit a nerve so bad that Mahmood flung himself into a screaming exhibitionist self righteous flag waving freedom fighter. Complete with “I am the defender of women and the oppressed masses” chorus. Name calling is for the intellectually weak, if you could offer an opposing argument based on historical facts, logical conclusions or examples to why I should change my point of view, I would have taken you more seriously. This is my last post on this Blog.
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You don’t have any. With your attitude and inherent racism specifically targetted at the Shi’a, you can’t expect us to believe that you have any “Shi’a friends” although if you had, you would have had an open mind. But grass doesn’t grow on cement after all.
but you are! How can you prove to someone who is racist that he is! Read your own post with a critical, if not open mind and you will plainly see how racist and bigoted you are. It is plain for everyone else to see, but with you so much in love with your self and so called intellect, it will be virtually impossible for you to realise it. Why not as ONE of your Shi’a friends to explain it to you?
And that goes with every other assertion you have made each of which speak volumes to your state of mind and your prejudiced and racist ways. YOU think that what you wrote was “logical” and maybe even gave yourself a pat on the back and said that your points are The Right Thing for bestowing Emirati citizenship to “lesser people” who have had the complete fortune for spending their lifeblood in the Emirates and have lived their full lives or the majority of it there. But the facts are quite plain, you (if you are a representative sample of your country-folk, which I sincerely hope you are not) are a complete and utter card-carrying racist. I hope to never have the misfortune of meeting you because I can guarantee that I would feel filthy after even wrongly shaking your hand.
As much as I would love for that to happen, as you have not added any value by your visit, I doubt that very much.
Now run away and go play in traffic young man.
The Chosen People
bulhshit .. the guy started to think from his arse instead of his brain honslty i didnt read the whole thing bcs its relly nonsense.
MAHMOOD well done i read ur posts in his blog that was enough.
Hashem
The Chosen People
I’ve run into quite a few “old Gulf hands” over the last 12 years, mostly English, who have been working in Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE, Qatar, Saudi etc. for most of their working lives. I met a remarkable couple in Kuwait who had come to the country in 1948 and stayed there over 50 years, and yet at no point would naturalization or citizenship be considered for such people, even if they wanted (like many did) to spend their retirement in the country they had spent much of their lives in. Sad, really.
The Chosen People
How very childish of you.
I simply suggest a system off the top of my head, and it gets critisized as if it was a system put into place.
No one is oppressing women, or using them, I am simply making it easier for those married to them to get a passport, making it easier for them to stay together. Every 9 months or so that the husband helped the wife who was pregnant in smoothening the pregnancy would be rewarded by a reduced year. Regarding the 4 women, I think there is already a law in place regarding foreigners who marry emarati women is that they cant marry any more emarati women.
Does giving passports to the bidoons, the orphans and the abandoned make your blood boil ? How about foreigners who serve in the army, doing backbreaking work to protect the country? Does the piss you off ? How about engineers and scientists of the Arab-Muslim World that cant find jobs in their home country ? Does that yank your chain ? What about reinforcing the family unit by trying to bring greater prosperity to it ? Or making it easier for Emarati girls to get married to foreigners and avoid spinsterhood (due to the present social situation) ? Is that oppression ? Why would I oppress my own countrywomen for a foreigner ? Your statement certainly does not make sense.
No my friend, by sheer Elimination this is what bothers you apparently
“Naturalization of Sunni Muslims must take a priority, we do not need to create a growing Shiia Muslim minority which would then probably cause the country problems as it has done in Iraq, Saudi, Bahrain and parts of Iran.”
What I said, and my political concerns, have been proven correct time and time again. The situtation in your country is a testament to it.
We also face another problem: the one with Iran. Since the rise of the Islamic republic it has proven itself to be very adept at stirring problems regionally with its influence over certain Shiia muslims (Mecca Mosque Incident, Coup Attempts in Sharjah, Militias in Iraq) It is not wise to give an opponent sticks to hit you with.
My search is for sucessful, not universal, integration. Those are two different things. And for sucessful integration of course we have to be selective. The west with all its talk about multicultralism has failed to produce an integrated society, just look at the problems Moroccan and Algerian Immigrants produce in France, or the ghettos in Britan, or the crime in Amsterdam. My thoughts are not of hate, but of logic and reasonable rationale.
The Chosen People
this guy is so funny .. allrgiht come here mr educated guy who sugget a racism system to the best ..
[b]I simply suggest a system off the top of my head[/b]
first off all as i said in the very beginning i dont think its from the top off ur head.
what bother me that u want to throw ur sisters on pakstanies blusai’s jew’s as long as they r not shiia, all thats why !? not bcs u like them or u want to be a good social man NO my friend all that bcs u want to rise sunni muslims publicity.
[b]We also face another problem: the one with Iran. Since the rise of the Islamic republic it has proven itself to be very adept at stirring problems regionally with its influence over certain Shiia muslims (Mecca Mosque Incident, Coup Attempts in Sharjah, Militias in Iraq) It is not wise to give an opponent sticks to hit you with[/b]
is that the real problem we facing !?
what about Bin laden who fucked islam name all over the worl what about Abo mu93ab alzarkawi what about the gagns in saudia arabia what about the militias in iraq !
for god sake is that not enough?
what exactly is ur point from this suggestion?
hashem
The Chosen People
“The west with all its talk about multicultralism has failed to produce an integrated society, just look at the problems Moroccan and Algerian Immigrants produce in France, or the ghettos in Britan, or the crime in Amsterdam. My thoughts are not of hate, but of logic and reasonable rationale”.
More like the immigrants have failed to insert themselves into “western” society. Instead the cling to their past refusing to adjust to a nation that took them in and often has invested lots of time energy and money into accommodating these people. An intregrated society is a two way street. The way I see it “society” has done most of its part by allowing the immingrant into its respective nation. Most of the rest lays at the feet of the immigrant to become part of the new society he or she CHOOSE to move and live in. The old adage of “When in Rome” seems to fit for the most part. Think about it…..
The Chosen People
Ah, Mahmood, I think you are over-reacting here. I am an Arab (Muslim-born) expatriate in Dubai. I have no desire to ever receive a UAE passport (or any other Arab passport for that matter).. my ‘so-called’ third-world country has provided me with a passport so thank you very much.
I think Emirati is young and so may need more real-life experiences to be able to formulate a better idea of what it means to integrate none-native people to a country. You also have to consider the fact that the UAE is unlike most countries in the world, with the native population being a small minority of the total population. It is a serious issue, which one should understand.
While I do think that the UAE is probably better off with doing a Canadian-style naturalization program, it is their country and by all means, have all the right to do whatever they want with it.
Seriously though, I think you could have gotten your point across better had you done the 3-rewrites-reply (my own term! write your response once, go out, smoke a cigarette, go back and read it, rewrite it, go out and smoke another, go back in and rewrite… re-read, send). This is for emotionally charged responses/posts of course 😉
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How very right you are, except for the smoking bit which I quite almost a year ago and going strong!
When I read his post I couldn’t feel anything except the rush of blood to the brain and the heart going faster. I felt (and still do) so incensed mostly about how can a young person think like that? But then as the conversation went, there is no way for me to change his set ways regardless of the method I adopted. He’s so far gone that the only person he listens to is himself. What a waste of a potentially good youth.
I hope time will open his eyes and mind for him.
The Chosen People
In bahrain, children of a bahraini mother and foreigner father do not receive bahraini citizenship.
What’s it like in other Gulf countries?
Whats the latest on moves to change this in Bahrain.
I was devastated when I read its a 25 year wait for a non-Arab man to get a Bahraini passport (I thought it was 15) and this is particulalrly galling when I personally know of someone who was given a bahraini passport after 3 short visits to the island!
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Much the same, if not worse across our beloved GCC. The Supreme Women’s Council is being very vocal lately specifically on the issue of granting passports to children of a Bahraini mother and I feel that they are winning that particular race.
If it were up to me, children born of Bahraini mothers and a foreign father would immediately be granted passports. End of story. Their husbands should also qualify for passports on the same terms and conditions as those used to grant a foreign woman a Bahraini passport when married to a Bahraini. The current stipulation is 5 years after marriage if the marriage produced children, 10 if it was childless together with residency.
In general though, naturalisation laws throughout the Gulf are debilitating and exclusionist. Had those laws been based on economic reality, it would have circumvented a lot of problems. Much like Canada for instance.
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ah.. emm.. ehm… mmmmm… erm….
that’s alright, sometimes PT is known that he “yikhoorha” a bit! (off at a tangent, Ramadhan is getting to him! 😆 )
The Chosen People
Emirati youngster, this is what contributers to this blog believe………..
1.It’s the right of everyperson to practice their own religion in their own way as long as it does not cause harm,directly or indirectly to any other person/group of people.
2.Bahrain is a nation of tolerance.This applies to all races all religions all colours.
3.Bahrainis are free to discuss the issues of the day, without fear of reprisals, cultural or otherwise.
4.Ignorance of others, engenders fear. To know the Shiia is to love them as brothers and sisters.Fear of them underlines your lack of understanding and exagerates your fear of them.
Learn more, fear less.
5.None of our Gulf nations are multicultural. They contain other cultures, but are not multicultural. We, by our naturalization processes, do not encourage other nationals to take our nationality. Why? because there is still a feeling among leaders that the purity of the nation will somehow be tainted by too many Pakistanis, Indians,shiia or whatever.
It’s important to accept that this [b]is not true[/b]. If race purity is a prerequesit to rule in your mind,
read Mein Kampf.Other nationalities and religions richen a society, give it depth and colour and vitality. So many components of course can create interesting challenges, but those challenges are far outweighed by the collosal advantages.
6. Arab Nations at conflict with themselves, socially speaking,fear a quick minded Indian, or a successful Jew.
7.Nations at peace with who they are don’t fear the above they welcome it. They know the nation will benefit from such influences.
8.If you have problems with the way ,you percieve, the Shiia present themselves, ask the Blogfather who,why,how. Don’t present your opinions as a fait-a-compli.
You will find him welcoming of the interest, friendly, accomodating and generally moist and gorgeous!
Bury your pride and speak again. We have answers, you just need to ask the questions.
All you need is love…love…love is all you need.
Live long and prosper
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[quote]You will find him welcoming of the interest, friendly, accomodating and generally moist and gorgeous![/quote]
Why Mahmood I didn’t know you where “moist”!!!
The Chosen People
Salam..
I am somewhat dismayed by the exchanges between Emirati and Mahmood Al Yousif, and the tit for tact dialogue. I would also like to comment on Emirati statement of “we do not need to create a growing Shiia Muslim minority “. Well suprise…You already have a growing Shia Muslim minority in the UAE and its not something new. It suprises me that you would think on such lines. I am sure you know the Shia families in the UAE, would you question their loyalty?
What happening in bahrain is not a question of sunni/shia but a question of injustice. So whats happening in Bahrain in no way reflects on Shia in UAE, as its not a parallel situation…
As for the other countries ypou mentioned the polotical troubles are not based on Sunni/Shia divisions but on political agendas. For example, Saddam was against anyone who didnt bow to him including his family it didnt matter if they were Sunni or Shia or ….
I can name quite a few Shia in the UAE who have dedicated their lives to this country (UAE) and community, even though they belong to a minority that you see as “problematic”. Moreover, if Shia were not trustworthy, I doubt if Sheikh Rashid and Sheikh Zayed would have appointed any as advisors in the govt. It would be nice if you were as patriotic as the rulers towards your fellow citizens. Thank God you dont rule Emirati, otherwise I would have to back my bags and find an abode with a Shia majority.
All i can say is “Swords with Muawiya but hearts with Ali”..
Emirati, seems not much has changed since then, at lesat not on your side. Peace.
Hashim
ps. I wear a kandoora too. Family tradition passed on for generations. Sorry if that disappoints anybody!
Yeh, ’emirati’ is pretty damn whack.
Check his latest policy idea for the UAE:
http://aethoughts.blogspot.com/2006/08/ramadan-reforms-every-year-ramadan.html
ya 5oee, you got me lost for words…
Can someone summarise in a sentence what was so controversial about the original post. I read it, but can’t be asked to read every post since. Anything in particular? – apart from the marriage thing subtracting one year which seems to me like asking for trouble I didn’t think there was anything THAT controversial about it.
It was a bigoted idea, openly discriminatory against Shi’a, sexist – made it seem women are only around to bear babies… furthermore, because it was posted by ’emirati’ it probably gave the incorrect impression that Emaratis think they are the center of the world.
It was just a flop idea in a heap of flop ideas from someone who just hasn’t seen enough of the world to know better.